Titan to Rogue Monster Lite - Lat Pulldown Guide
This guide explains how you can successfully install a Titan X-3 Lat Pulldown attachment on a rogue rack.
You may have noticed that the Titan rack attachments are 42" end-to-end, while most rogue monster lite racks are 43". How do you bridge the gap?
Fortunately, while titan products aren't always compatible with rogue's due to differing hole sizes, Titan's pulldown attachment crossmembers have a lot of room for different bolt sizes since it's essentially one big rectangular hole on each side. You still need to make up the 1" difference between the posts. This guide will teach you how to do both.
Table of Contents
- Step One: Compatibility
- Step Two: Hardware Purchase List
- Step Three: Choosing a Lat Attachment
- Step Four: Installation
- Step Five: Safety Considerations
- Additional Options
- Finished Product
- Too Long, Didn't Read
Step One: Compatibility
Answer the following question:
1) Do you have a non-flat foot Rogue Monster or Monster Lite rack with 4 or more uprights (490/690/custom)? If so, continue. If not, this guide is not meant for you.
Step Two: Hardware Purchase List
If you have a Rogue Monster Lite rack such as an RML-490, RML-690, proceed with the following purchases:
1) 50x AE flat washers, Zinc plated grade 5 steel, 5/8" - https://www.boltdepot.com/Product-Details.aspx?product=15035 (I bought 50 for spares; you'll need at least 36). I suggest buying 50. You will want some left over. 2) 25x Hex nuts, Zinc plated grade 5 steel, 5/8"-11 - https://www.boltdepot.com/Product-Details.aspx?product=2574 3) 25x Hex bolts, Zinc plated grade 5 steel, 5/8"-11 x 4-1/2". Bag(25) - https://www.boltdepot.com/Product-Details.aspx?product=431 4) 25x Lock washers, Zinc plated steel, 5/8" - https://www.boltdepot.com/Product-Details.aspx?product=3030 (I bought 100 because cheap/for spares) 5) (OPTIONAL, but Recommended for Safety) Gorilla tape & Sharp Edge Padding, OR a Rear Base Stabilizer
Before shipping costs, if you go through Rogue, you will pay $30 and only get 4 bolts. Bad deal. I paid $48.78 for the extra quantities listed above.
Step Three: Choosing a Lat Attachment
Please read this section carefully. Some of y'all have 90" racks, others 110". You will need to decide which one will fit your lifestyle and body best.
As a comparison, with a 90" rack and at 6'8", I can sit down in a bench and grab the lat pulldown handles IF they aren't racked on the bar. Otherwise, I have to stand up and "sit down" with it.
Tall or Short:
1) 88.5" High - Lat Tower Attachment: https://www.titan.fitness/racks/rack-accessories/lat-tower-tall-rack-attachment-%E2%80%93-x-2%2C-x-3%2C-and-t-3-series-power-rack-compatible/401036.html 2) 78" High - Short Lat Tower Attachment: https://www.titan.fitness/racks/rack-accessories/t-3-series/lat-tower-short-height-rack-attachment-%E2%80%93-x-2%2C-x-3%2C-and-t-3-series-power-rack-compatible/401035.html
I have personally only tested the tall one.
Note that crossmembers come with each attachment, so you don't need to buy an extra. However, for Safety reasons I suggest buying a Rear Base Stabilizer if you don't have one already. This prevents tripping on "sharp" foot pedals. I don't know what Titan was thinking by having these row pedals, but you don't have to install them. Instead, you can use a rear base stabilizer or some padding. See below for Safety Considerations.
Step Four: Installation
Follow the Lat pulldown instructions that come with the Titan attachment. When you get to the part where you need to mount them, special changes come into play:
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For mounting to the rogue rack, use the hardware listed in
Step Twoinstead of Titan's hardware. For everything else, use Titan hardware. -
You will want a big washer between the hex bolts and the rack. This protects your rack. Example below:
- You will need to add three washers between each upright on the INSIDE, before it connects the Rogue rack to the Titan crossmembers. An example is in this image (note the position of the lock washers and the nuts as well):
Bolt installation order:
Hex Bolt -> Large Flat Washer -> Rogue Rack -> Large Flat Washer x3 (x2 if x3 doesn't fit) -> Titan Crossmember -> Lock Washer -> Nut
(2-3 flat washers, not 2, despite graphic)
Step Five: Safety Considerations
The low row attachment has foot pedals that are "sharp." Such that if someone were to fall on them neck-first, they could die easily. Kids are prone to tripping and other foolish, spatially-unaware issues. This is why I suggest not putting up the pads if you have kids, or if you're clumsy. You're one trip away from a bad day or a funeral.
Again, I don't know what Titan was thinking by making these row pedals, but you don't have to install them. You could also install them, but add safety padding. Here are some safer options:
Safety alternatives:
1) You put up the pads, but use sharp-edge padding and gorilla tape it on. Go to Amazon.com and type in "sharp edge padding." You can glue and tape these to the pedal edges. I strongly suggest doing this if you have kids. 2) Use one of Rogue's Rear Base Stabilizers and put it on top of the bottom titan crossmember. You can rest your feet on these easily.
Additional Options
If you miss having a leg roller to hold your legs in place during seated pulldowns, the REP Fitness AB-3000 is a perfect alternative.
Finished Product
Here's what mine looks like:
As you can see, I'm using the AB-3000 to seat myself for seated pulldowns.
TLDR
Buy these:
1) 50x AE flat washers, Zinc plated grade 5 steel, 5/8" - https://www.boltdepot.com/Product-Details.aspx?product=15035 (I bought 50 for spares; you'll need at least 36). I suggest buying 50. You will want some left over. 2) 25x Hex nuts, Zinc plated grade 5 steel, 5/8"-11 - https://www.boltdepot.com/Product-Details.aspx?product=2574 3) 25x Hex bolts, Zinc plated grade 5 steel, 5/8"-11 x 4-1/2". Bag(25) - https://www.boltdepot.com/Product-Details.aspx?product=431 4) 25x Lock washers, Zinc plated steel, 5/8" - https://www.boltdepot.com/Product-Details.aspx?product=3030 (I bought 100 because cheap/for spares) 5) (OPTIONAL, but Recommended for Safety) Gorilla tape & Sharp Edge Padding, OR a Rear Base Stabilizer
Choose a pulldown height:
1) 88.5" High - Lat Tower Attachment: https://www.titan.fitness/racks/rack-accessories/lat-tower-tall-rack-attachment-%E2%80%93-x-2%2C-x-3%2C-and-t-3-series-power-rack-compatible/401036.html 2) 78" High - Short Lat Tower Attachment: https://www.titan.fitness/racks/rack-accessories/t-3-series/lat-tower-short-height-rack-attachment-%E2%80%93-x-2%2C-x-3%2C-and-t-3-series-power-rack-compatible/401035.html
Follow titan instructions, then screw the attachment and rack together:
Hex Bolt -> Large Flat Washer -> Rogue Rack -> Large Flat Washer x3 (2x if 3 don't fit) -> Titan Crossmember -> Lock Washer -> Nut
(2-3 flat washers, not 2, despite graphic)