not an issue....gearbox for FS19?

[cabmac]

Moin...habe gestern mal ein paar Vids zum neuen FS geschaut...scheint ja diesmal wirklich einen Sprung nach vorne zu machen in SAchen Simulation (cab and seat suspension, hydraulics, dashboard-light etcetcetc)..., deshalb die schuechterne Frage ob wir mit deiner Gearbox zum 19er rechnen koennen, ob du dir das nochmal "antust"?... :)

[Ago-Modding]

😂

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Moin...habe gestern mal ein paar Vids zum neuen FS geschaut...scheint ja diesmal wirklich einen Sprung nach vorne zu machen in SAchen Simulation (cab and seat suspension, hydraulics, dashboard-light etcetcetc)..., deshalb die schuechterne Frage ob wir mit deiner Gearbox zum 19er rechnen koennen, ob du dir das nochmal "antust"?... :)

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[cabmac]

Ago, they can do what they want, better or worse, but FS would NEVER be the same without gearbox :)

[Ago-Modding]

The point is that now it is not to be expected much .... all we have are few more news than FS17, because the engine of the game is still the same! Not enough new shaders, improvements of the sounds, additions of some animation, new scripts, to have a new game, in the end it is always Farming Simulator ... They still could not get Mogli's Gearbox, but in the end the improvements added every year are just those copied by the modders! 😎😎

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Ago, they can do what they want, better or worse, but FS would NEVER be the same without gearbox :)

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[Dudejo]

sounds like I'll be waiting for the next one to be obsolete again. Gotta get it cheap :P

[Mogli12]

Hi, I do not know yet. If FS19 has a simple gearbox then for many there is no need for a complicated one. So I fear that there are only few people who really desire a mod with a more complicated gearbox. Best regards, Stefan

[cabmac]

hi, well, lets see what happens....but don´t undervalue your gearbox, although ther might be a simple gearbox i think many people prefer a "real" gearbox....

BG Claudio

[Dudejo]

Personally, the main factor that drew me to this mod is the ability to easily customize any and all vehicles as I see fit.

While a transmission with actual gears would be nice in the base game, it's generally quite difficult to change the settings without third-party mods.

I tend to be nitpicky >.>

[reinholdmaehler]

Stefan,

Your mod moved me from fs15 to fs17. Without your mod, the key element was missing for me - a simulated realism for power & speed. Now the combination of MR and your Gb is almost the holy grail.

If there is a way to support you (patreon etc) I would love to do that, as I barely can understand the config XMLs nor write code.

Please please please try to make the fs19 a project of yours

Reinhold

[tdiniz93]

I only discovered your mod after years of reminiscing of the days in LS2011 when there were a few mods with fully simulated gearboxes, it has really brought me back into the game, it is by far the most important mod I have installed now, I hope that you continue development of the GearBox addon into FS19. As @reinholdmaehler suggested, I am also willing to support the development of a future GearBox addon. Thank you for all of your hard work.

[shelweg]

as @tdiniz93 said. by far the most important mod in FS landscape. If there is need for help and support to get gearbox up onto FS19 I would also be glad to help were I can.

Stefan

[Mogli12]

Hi, Let's 1st see what kind of transmission will be available in the vanilla FS19. Afterwards let's wait for the scripting docu. I know already that there are several changes and old scripts will not run w/o adjustments. But more important, GearboxAddon has its own VehicleMotor implementation. Regards, Stefan

[MrMazzony]

It seems that Giant failed to deliver Gearboxes. Source: mark 1:30 https://youtu.be/HYN3P1Yktew

[cabmac]

obvious... they never ever will release a gearbox similar to moglis gearbox

[Dudejo]

considering games have had basic multi-speed transmission coding since at least Grand Theft Auto 3, you'd thing such a feature would be child's play after 15 years.

[ghost]

Nachdem nun klar ist, dass kein Gearbox und nicht einmal eine einfache Wendeschaltung im LS19 enthalten ist, würde ich mich sehr freuen, wenn der Mod seinen Weg in das Spiel findet. Ich denke mal du würdest vielen Leuten damit einen großen Gefallen tun und eins ist sicher: ich möchte Gearbox nicht mehr missen. Das originale Fahrverhalten ist einfach große Grütze, wenn man LS17 mit Gearbox und MR gewöhnt ist.

[nkstyle]

Sir please make your mod for FS19. Without Your gearbox addon this game is unplayable...

[Mogli12]

Hi, After a quick check of FS19 it is clear that I cannot adopt the FS17 gearbox to FS19 without the source code of VehicleMotor.lua, Motorized.lua and Vehicle.lua. Additionally, the names of the standard functions and attributes changed; e.g. self.spec_motorized.motor instead of self.motor. In the past it took Giants more than 6 month to publish the scripts. Regards, Stefan

[cabmac]

Hi, somebody said that the codes will be released this week.... well, we wil see...

[ghost]

As far as I can remember that was the case for FS17 too...

[cabmac]

for Keyboardsteering there is also necessary lua-doc, right? the "new smoother" steering has nothing to do with your adaptive steering.... :(

[leonardo-scattola]

Das originale Fahrverhalten ist einfach große Grütze, wenn man LS17 mit Gearbox und MR gewöhnt ist.

Ich stimme absolut zu! Ich habe nicht wirklich gerne zwischen LS17 + Gearbox + MR und LS19 "Vanille" gewechselt.

(I totally agree! I didn't like so much switching from FS17 + Gearbox + MR to the "vanilla" FS19.)

[martinnight007]

I have so much respect for you Stefan,like other people said before FS 19 feels like shit without your phenomenal gearbox.Driving physics is so stupid,tractor accelerate like a formula one,and that so bad that is almost unplayable for me and many more other people.I just wish that giants would post that scripts that you need and you continue make the improvements of this great mod. I wish you all the best. BTW i drive tractors in real life LOL,and that's why is this even more frustrating for me. Regards, Martin.

[Dudejo]

It seems I'll be waiting for the game to drop in price again...

[Laui51]

Just to pick up an argument from top:

Might be that the amount of people really using your gearbox mod is not too high, but i guess those who do apreciate your work. I had a look for 19 and now i'm back to 17 again cause it's just no fun without the feeling of the engine barking while shifting gears uphill ;)

Not to hurry you, but to proof the point of worth. Thank you for the time you put in your mods, not only gearbox but also steering and helper mod. The new Vanilla game shows dramatically how much your mods change the game. ;)

[Mogli12]

Hi,

I just had a quick look at LUADOC. One problem is that there are many new built in function like controlVehicle. The second problem is that Motorized.updateMotorProperties is not documented.

As a consequence there will not be a FS19_GearboxAddon.

Sorry!

[leonardo-scattola]

Stefan, bad news. Horrible news indeed. Gearbox addon was a huge improvement for the realism of the game and we will hugely miss these functionalities. Should Giants document the updateMotorProperties function, will you reconsider to develop it? (at least a limited yet functional version) Is there any way we may contribute?

Thank you!

[Dudejo]

It seems FS17 will live on for longer than expected...unless they're marketing the game for the common denominator

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I just had a quick look at LUADOC. One problem is that there are many new built in function like controlVehicle. The second problem is that Motorized.updateMotorProperties is not documented.

As a consequence there will not be a FS19_GearboxAddon.

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[mdup0nt]

If there is a way to set up the base mod and then have the community build the transmission, im sure people would be into that. Crowd source so mogli doesn't have to do it all.

As a simulation player this mod was key to my immersion.

[cabmac]

hi, seems that script docu is not complete yet... look at Stegeis answer..

https://forum.giants-software.com/viewtopic.php?t=130181

[D3ltorohd]

Gearbox for LS19 +1 Ich hoffe da jetzt ein Teil der Doku da ist, du da was hinbekommst !!! Das ist so komisch ohne GB, man stellt sich an wie der erste Mensch, man hat sich so dran gewöhnt.

[Mogli12]

Hi,

I have an idea. I looked at controlVehicle in WheelsUtils.updateWheelsPhysics. It seems that the undocumented function Motorized.updateMotorProperties copies the torque values into the Giants engine and the whole computation is now done in the Giants engine and not in lua.

But I think that I can at least a simple gearbox by overwriting:

• VehicleMotor.updateGear => adjust accelerationPedal value
• VehicleMotor.getMinMaxGearRatio => set min. and max. gear ratio. If clutch is closed then min. and max. ratio are identical
• VehicleMotor.getRequiredMotorRpmRange => set min. and max. transmission. This is useful for variable transmission, e.g. Fendt Vario or ZF. A partly opened clutch could be simulated the same way
• VehicleMotor.getEqualizedMotorRpm => change motor RPM if vehicle is in neutral

Regards, Stefan

[Amadeo01]

Stefan, das ist 'mal eine gute Nachricht!

Gruß Amadeo

[leonardo-scattola]

Stefan, good news! I I had the chance to see your code yesterday evening; there are many things that can be translated onto the new API, but I haven't found the connection with the GUI. My knowledge of Lua and the Giants API however is very limited... Keep on the good work, we all will support you. Thank you once more!

[Justice-Molton]

My whole geoup switches back to LS17. LS19 is just a arcade Racetrac simulator. Totally crap. We need your mod and there are many many people that it need. These people don’t play the LS19..

[MartinausOesterreich]

Ich hoffe du kannst etwas machen ohne Gearbox fehlt einfach was

[martinnight007]

Thank you Stefan for all your hard work,if you can make at least simple transimission that would be great!.Thank you,thank you thank you!!! Like Justice-Molton said,without gearbox mod FS 19 is just a stupid racetrack simulator.Tractors can't accelerate like that,this is more close to Asseto corsa then farming simulator.I dont know why giants don't care about that. It's just screw everything up...

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Ich hoffe du kannst etwas basteln ohne Gearbox fehtl einfach was

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[nkstyle]

Is this is was missing for scripting reference? https://gdn.giants-software.com/documentation_scripting_fs19.php

[Sozzy76]

Hi Stefan, I was just wondering if there has been any further development of any type of gearbox for FS19?

[Mogli12]

No, I stopped the conversion of gearbox addon. Problem number one is that this script has a lot of user interactions. But Giants reworked input and action bindings, and this means that gearbox addon has to be re-built from scratch. Problem two is that there are already mods out that manipulate the differentials etc. So there will be again an overlap and incompatibility issues with other mods. I made some experiences in the past with drive control and better fuel usage. So I decided not to continue on gearbox addon.

[MrMazzony]

Im gonna miss the sound of flipping trough gears. But still i salute the choise of Stefan not to rebuild it from scratch. R.I.P. <3

[Dudejo]

welp, back to FS '17 for me

[cabmac]

wirklich superschade...ohne GB und korrektes behaviour macht das absolut keinen Spass....

Das 2.Problem ist eigentlich keins...dieses inhanced "wasweissich" beinhaltet doch anscheinden nur die Differenziale, oder? Was soll der mod, wenn es GB geben wuerde. Drivecontrol wird es ebenso nicht geben und die diversen modder sollten sich mal daran gewoehnen, ihre mods an GB anzupassen, und nicht andersrum...also das ist wohl eher nicht das Problem....zum ersteren, konnte dir Stegei nicht bei einer Loesung helfen, oder habt ihr euch nicht austauschen koennen?

[Mogli12]

Hier ein paar Beispiele was bereits Inkompatibilitäten sind: https://github.com/Mogli12/KeyboardSteer/issues/90 https://github.com/Mogli12/KeyboardSteer/issues/95 https://github.com/Mogli12/KeyboardSteer/issues/96 https://github.com/Mogli12/KeyboardSteer/issues/99

[cabmac]

jo...das ist aber irgendwo eine Grundsatzfrage...das ehrt dich, dass du versuchst , deine mods mit anderen kompatibel spielbar zu machen, aber auf der anderen Seite, was sollst DU (und nicht der andere "modder") Zeit und arbeit investieren, DEINE mods kompatibel zu machen?

uebrigens hab ich den diff-mod gerade mal gesehen, in der Beschreibung auf modhoster sieht das ja so aus, dass er versucht den mod kompatibel mit keyboardsteer zu machen....und das ist der richtige Weg!

[D3ltorohd]

Ich finde auch wenn dann solltest du auf deinen Mod schauen und wenn der läuft ok, wenn jemand zig andere Mods nutzt, die dann Probleme machen und dazwischenfunken muss jeder für sich selber festlegen, welchen er nutzt oder nicht. Wenn es GB gäbe wären all die anderen Mods überflüssig, schade zu hören, das du nicht an GB arbeitest. Ich habe gehofft er kommt irgendwann für den 19er, weil Vanilla fahren ist für'n Arxxxx. So macht es echt keinen Spaß, ich vermisse ihn.

Wenn ich es drauf hätte würde ich dir gerne unter die Arme greifen, habe ich leider nicht. Aber vllt findet sich jemand anders der dir helfen könnte, oder vllt kommt auch die Lust an GB zurück, wenn vllt auch mehr Script Doku vorhanden ist.

Wirklich schade aber das ist dein Ding, deine Arbeit, deine Freizeit, man muss es akzeptieren. Dennoch vielen Dank für GB im LS17 !!!

[Dudejo]

If there won't be a FS 19 port, does this mean development for FS 17 will resume/continue?

[Mogli12]

I think I will pause or stop modding for FS.

[Nanuk9991]

Hallo Mogli. Mit Tränen in den Augen lese ich das Du die Arbeit am GeraBox Addon einstellen möchtest. Ich denke Du weißt wie viele Deine Mod lieben und für mich und sicher sehr viele andere ist ein LS19 ohne GearBox, im Hinblick auf die miesen Sounds, schlicht undenkbar. Jetzt Frage ich mich ob Du es Dir vorstellen könntest es für Uns zu tun und dafür ordentlich bezahlt werden würdest. Ich zum Beispiel könnte mir durchaus vorstellen 40-50€ dafür zu zahlen. Ich bin mir sicher das es vielen so geht. Denn wem nutzt ein LS19 wenn man ihn nicht spielen mag, weil ein Baustein fehlt der so unglaublich genial ist, das man nicht mehr drauf verzichten mag. Ich wollte das erstmal generell abfragen, würde mich freuen wenn du dir mal Gedanken darüber machen würdest. Sag mir einfach unter welchen Bedingungen Du Dir das vorstellen könntest. Selbst im vorraus würde ich dies tun. Man könnte dann auch mal ne Umfrage starten, damit Du ungefähr n Plan hast, wann du deine Haupt Arbeit kündigen kannst weil Du nicht mehr weißt wohin mit der Kohle:)- kleiner scherz. P.s.: Vielen Dank auch für dein KeyboardSteer, auch ein fantastischer Mod Grüße NanuK

[Dudejo]

That's too bad...Then I only have the wish of having an updated document that properly describes all the different flags for the gearbox.

[cabmac]

Hi Stefan...Keyboardsteer ist zwar schon im modhub, aber wenn du wirklcih ernst machst, dass du von der GB nichts mehr wissen willst, koenntest du dann im Keyboardsteer die 3 TEmpomatstufen implementieren? oder ist das zuviel Aufwand...habe ich wirklich gerne in der GB genutzt..

Schoene Gruesse

Claudio