He Who Over Comes design.

[Morningstar88]

We need 5 designs for a good crowdfunder. Don't worry, we don't need to make plates for any of these, just get some good jpgs so people can choose a design. The first actual plates will be the danshui design.

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He Who Over Comes

Take the font from the Made to Reign TShirt.

he who over comes

In the red pallete, on a white TShirt. Purple monochrome will work for this too.

If we are really gutsy, we can do

sHe who over comes

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What is overcome in Chinese?

克服 克服

Does that sound good or cheesy?

[Morningstar88]

Three Color Indigo Palette (Can add more indigo or a contrast color)

https://coolors.co/220066-350d88-170a1c

[Morningstar88]

4 Color Indigo (I like this one)

https://coolors.co/220066-350d88-410f8a-3d298e

[taiwanluthiers]

I think this is what I have right now... The font looks like arial. It doesn't look the same without the crown or bible verses...

[Morningstar88]

That is very different from the made to reign shirt.

If you are pushed for time, we can focus on the danshui design, in a monochrome burgundy palette, on white TShirts. I am here for a few hours if you want to discuss that.

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[image: image] https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/66872000/85727181-61c40580-b729-11ea-83be-9b811da9c532.png I think this is what I have right now... The font looks like arial. It doesn't look the same without the crown or bible verses...

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[taiwanluthiers]

I don't exactly know the font they used for that made to reign shirt. I can try to ask. It looks like Arial but much thicker.

Do you have a suggestion as to what to add? A picture or a bible verse?

[Morningstar88]

I think we should focus on one shirt only for printing... It takes a LOT of time to get the design and printing right, as you know.

I just asked on Reddit:

https://imgur.com/ICrx9nT

The pic reminded me what a cool TShirt that is. Good work.

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I don't exactly know the font they used for that made to reign shirt. I can try to ask. It looks like Arial but much thicker.

Do you have a suggestion as to what to add? A picture or a bible verse?

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[taiwanluthiers]

Let's focus on this design. I am sure there's ways we can refine it.

However overcome is one word, not 2 word. It sounds weird as 2 words.

I am writing a one page marketing plan along with explanations... I'm trying to do something about the customer situation. I was told my answers lack depth and I really don't know what I can do to add depth. Note this is a 2 pronged attack, on one hand I can print T shirts with their design for churches or organizations, but on the other hand it's what we're doing now, coming up with a design that people will like.

Who is the target market.docx

[Morningstar88]

Here's the Reddit link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/identifythisfont/comments/hfnug9/is_this_arial_black_or_helvetica_bold/

It might be a Helvetica or Arial variant. Black, bold or something. Note that it's left biased.

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With a burgundy palette, we may also want to look into lettering effects. Gradients etc. I know we discussed it before, but your skills have improved a lot. So let me know what monochrome gradient effects you can do.

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I think we should focus on one shirt only for printing... It takes a LOT of time to get the design and printing right, as you know.

I just asked on Reddit:

https://imgur.com/ICrx9nT

The pic reminded me what a cool TShirt that is. Good work.

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I don't exactly know the font they used for that made to reign shirt. I can try to ask. It looks like Arial but much thicker.

Do you have a suggestion as to what to add? A picture or a bible verse?

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[taiwanluthiers]

I'm thinking of a sort of a color fade. So then this uses only one or two slide (a white underbase and then a color coat).

I can definitely do this.

[Morningstar88]

I know overcomes is two words, but with one word it would cut right across people's spleen/belly button and look awful.

Once we know the font it will be easy to do any of the designs I brainstormed.

We can add a simple burgundy cross. Nothing else.

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We can discuss marketing later.

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 23:23, taiwanluthiers notifications@github.com wrote:

Let's focus on this design. I am sure there's ways we can refine it.

However overcome is one word, not 2 word. It sounds weird as 2 words.

I am writing a one page marketing plan along with explanations... I'm trying to do something about the customer situation. I was told my answers lack depth and I really don't know what I can do to add depth. Note this is a 2 pronged attack, on one hand I can print T shirts with their design for churches or organizations, but on the other hand it's what we're doing now, coming up with a design that people will like.

Who is the target market.docx https://github.com/Microflow/Eagle-Shirts/files/4832257/Who.is.the.target.market.docx

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[Morningstar88]

A color fade looks good in my mind. You mean from dark burgundy to light, across a single letter?

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I'm thinking of a sort of a color fade. So then this uses only one or two slide (a white underbase and then a color coat).

I can definitely do this.

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[taiwanluthiers]

across the entire field

[Morningstar88]

It would be better across single letters and words. Fading across the whole field could look tacky.

Imagine this:

Split the words into 4 separate plates, and do a different fade across each word. He and Over from dark to light (left to right) Who and Comes the opposite direction. Can you see that? All in burgundy.

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across the entire field

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[taiwanluthiers]

I get what you mean. keep in mind I need one plate for white underbase (you can't do this without it if you are printing onto a dark garment) and a mat-down plate to prevent fibers from sticking up. So keep it under 3 plates if possible. In fact if we are going to do a dark to light and another light to dark, we can do this with 2 plates.

[Morningstar88]

OK got it. I have moved your comment to the screenprinting effects thread.

BTW, the font is HELVETICA BLACK. Can you get hold of it? I think this should be our default font for the next few months.

Now let's focus on awesome lettering effects, good sourcing and beautiful words.

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I get what you mean. keep in mind I need one plate for white underbase (you can't do this without it if you are printing onto a dark garment) and a mat-down plate to prevent fibers from sticking up. So keep it under 3 plates if possible. In fact if we are going to do a dark to light and another light to dark, we can do this with 2 plates.

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[taiwanluthiers]

I just got it

[Morningstar88]

Really impressive and exciting. Can you bias it to the left like the made to reign shirt?

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[image: image] https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/66872000/85752167-c25d3d80-b73d-11ea-8e4e-dc61dd9994de.png I just got it

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[taiwanluthiers]

[taiwanluthiers]

I have a suggestion: put "he who" as the first line. That way you can put a picture where the space is.

[Morningstar88]

better.

We will work on subtle alignments later.

Do you remember that guy in Zhongxiao Xinsheng Cafe, who had the red lettering on a white hoodie? I would swear that is Helvetica black.

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Would any of the Chinese translations of overcome fit on this shirt? I think one character would look lush.

Can you pick one that doesn't sound too cheesy? I will trust you to do that. 克服???

overcome 克服, 克, 攻下, 驯 conquer 征服, 战胜, 克服, 胜利, 侵占 surmount 超越, 克服, 战胜, 突破, 攀越 endure 忍受, 挨, 忍, 承受, 经受, 克服

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[Morningstar88]

ok try it... that could work.

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I have a suggestion: put "he who" as the first line. That way you can put a picture where the space is.

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[taiwanluthiers]

I can't think of a way to do Chinese without it looking weird.

[taiwanluthiers]

We could increase the line spacing or decrease character spacing so we can fit some icon in the middle... I'm really tempted to do Soviet Union symbol but that would not be very Christian at all...

[Morningstar88]

a sickle. ha.

Don't worry about it looking weird. Just tell me if the word 克服 fits or not. Try and choose one. We can try with and without Chinese.

I don't think it looks good with three lines. The four line version has a natural curve and flow.

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We could increase the line spacing or decrease character spacing so we can fit some icon in the middle... I'm really tempted to do Soviet Union symbol but that would not be very Christian at all...

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[taiwanluthiers]

克服 sounds good.

yea I would agree with you there...

[Morningstar88]

Okey...

Next step, can you indent He by about 6%, Who by 4%, Over by 2% and leave comes as it is.

So we need a very subtle gradient on the left. I am trying to do it in CSS now, but you can try there.

I am busy with the website in the other window... you are better with photoshop. I've also found some other awesome fonts.

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克服 sounds good.

yea I would agree with you there...

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[taiwanluthiers]

Like this?

[Morningstar88]

yes, you are on the way...

Can you tell me what numbers you were using (5px or what) so we can fine tune it. What number and unit are you using on each word?

And do you think it works like that?

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[image: image] https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/66872000/85757677-444f6580-b742-11ea-86a7-f495cf7c6b76.png

Like this?

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[Morningstar88]

I mean, can you tell me something like?

he (7px) who (5px) over (3px) comes (0px)

or are you using percentages?

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 00:18, Jake Mackenzie shiningsea3000@gmail.com wrote:

yes, you are on the way...

Can you tell me what numbers you were using (5px or what) so we can fine tune it. What number and unit are you using on each word?

And do you think it works like that?

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[image: image] https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/66872000/85757677-444f6580-b742-11ea-86a7-f495cf7c6b76.png

Like this?

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[taiwanluthiers]

I can't use percentages... I just put a space in front of the "he" and set kerning to 200 I did the same with "who" but did not add the space in front I set the kerning for "over" to 75

[Morningstar88]

If you use spaces it's hard to make micro-adjustments. Can you do a version with kerning only?

BTW can you get hold of Frutiger font? I think Adobe use it. Not a priority, but it looks really good. It would work for us on another shirt.

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 00:20, taiwanluthiers notifications@github.com wrote:

I can't use percentages... I just put a space in front of the "he" and set kerning to 200 I did the same with "who" but did not add the space in front I set the kerning for "over" to 75

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[taiwanluthiers]

Max I can do with kerning is 200. I can't go higher than that, so I had to use spaces...

[Morningstar88]

ok, can you bring the he back a little? To the left?

It's too indented and looks wrong. Try and make a smooth diagonal line... if you get me.

Can you do kerning 180 on he? Or is it multiples of 20?

[taiwanluthiers]

[Morningstar88]

Are you using those cm numbers up top?

does x refer to he?

If that is right, we can really fine tune it... but it's looking good now.

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[taiwanluthiers]

the X and Y refer to position for the entire text box. Do not mess with it.

The number you are looking for is the one that says V|A which adjusts kearning

[Morningstar88]

ok got it

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:06, taiwanluthiers notifications@github.com wrote:

the X and Y refer to position for the entire text box. Do not mess with it.

The number you are looking for is the one that says V|A which adjusts kearning

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[Morningstar88]

You can use this font for kefu.. Screengrab it if you want:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w9_tokpgWYXwa0gYsnY6Suow4Y7rmz6aQAMXiyEsAjI/edit

I think that is the default Google docs font

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:14, Jake Mackenzie shiningsea3000@gmail.com wrote:

ok got it

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the X and Y refer to position for the entire text box. Do not mess with it.

The number you are looking for is the one that says V|A which adjusts kearning

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[Morningstar88]

Colors

For the colours, can you imagine if the Google logo was in 3 shades of Burgundy?

So we would split three burgundy colors between 3 different plates/svgs. Do you get that?

Please don't do it yet, as we have to get it perfect at jpg level before we make the 3 svgs, otherwise it wastes time

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So you need underbase white, and have 3 colors spare, right?

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:19, Jake Mackenzie shiningsea3000@gmail.com wrote:

You can use this font for kefu.. Screengrab it if you want:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w9_tokpgWYXwa0gYsnY6Suow4Y7rmz6aQAMXiyEsAjI/edit

I think that is the default Google docs font

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:14, Jake Mackenzie shiningsea3000@gmail.com wrote:

ok got it

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:06, taiwanluthiers notifications@github.com wrote:

the X and Y refer to position for the entire text box. Do not mess with it.

The number you are looking for is the one that says V|A which adjusts kearning

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[Morningstar88]

Multi colored He Who Overcomes Alternate Design

Now image the he who overcomes design in actual Google colors, for example. Forget about the ripping off brands issue for now... we will choose our own distinctive palette.

Once we get the plates made we can swap the colors after washing, right?

We'll still keep it on white.

So one design burgundy, the other multi colored.

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:23, Jake Mackenzie shiningsea3000@gmail.com wrote:

Colors

For the colours, can you imagine if the Google logo was in 3 shades of Burgundy?

So we would split three burgundy colors between 3 different plates/svgs. Do you get that?

Please don't do it yet, as we have to get it perfect at jpg level before we make the 3 svgs, otherwise it wastes time

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So you need underbase white, and have 3 colors spare, right?

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:19, Jake Mackenzie shiningsea3000@gmail.com wrote:

You can use this font for kefu.. Screengrab it if you want:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w9_tokpgWYXwa0gYsnY6Suow4Y7rmz6aQAMXiyEsAjI/edit

I think that is the default Google docs font

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:14, Jake Mackenzie shiningsea3000@gmail.com wrote:

ok got it

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:06, taiwanluthiers notifications@github.com wrote:

the X and Y refer to position for the entire text box. Do not mess with it.

The number you are looking for is the one that says V|A which adjusts kearning

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[Morningstar88]

Some of these palettes are interesting. I will choose one later, but lets stick with burgundy for now:

https://www.google.com/search?q=blue+orange+red+palette&sxsrf=ALeKk023TP1voX0q7c5DncH9mPRLxl-5NA:1593106054334&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjEytTDvp3qAhWMGKYKHXnaBbcQ_AUoAXoECA0QAw&biw=1920&bih=898

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:26, Jake Mackenzie shiningsea3000@gmail.com wrote:

Multi colored He Who Overcomes Alternate Design

Now image the he who overcomes design in actual Google colors, for example. Forget about the ripping off brands issue for now... we will choose our own distinctive palette.

Once we get the plates made we can swap the colors after washing, right?

We'll still keep it on white.

So one design burgundy, the other multi colored.

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:23, Jake Mackenzie shiningsea3000@gmail.com wrote:

Colors

For the colours, can you imagine if the Google logo was in 3 shades of Burgundy?

So we would split three burgundy colors between 3 different plates/svgs. Do you get that?

Please don't do it yet, as we have to get it perfect at jpg level before we make the 3 svgs, otherwise it wastes time

*

So you need underbase white, and have 3 colors spare, right?

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:19, Jake Mackenzie shiningsea3000@gmail.com wrote:

You can use this font for kefu.. Screengrab it if you want:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w9_tokpgWYXwa0gYsnY6Suow4Y7rmz6aQAMXiyEsAjI/edit

I think that is the default Google docs font

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:14, Jake Mackenzie shiningsea3000@gmail.com wrote:

ok got it

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:06, taiwanluthiers notifications@github.com wrote:

the X and Y refer to position for the entire text box. Do not mess with it.

The number you are looking for is the one that says V|A which adjusts kearning

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[taiwanluthiers]

He Who Overcomes JPG

[Morningstar88]

I agree we don't have to change the font.

Tonights focus is on getting a beautiful burgundy jpg,

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[image: image] https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/66872000/85952471-27ae6a00-b99c-11ea-9b9c-5e5f45036bd4.png He Who Overcomes JPG

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[taiwanluthiers]

Would you like for me to manually change the color to burgundy?

[Morningstar88]

yes that would help.

Imagine if the google design was 3 shades of burgundy, instead of multi-colored.

So we will call the colours B1 B2 and B3.

B1 is darkest..

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Would you like for me to manually change the color to burgundy?

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[taiwanluthiers]

How is this?

[Morningstar88]

not yet.

Each letter needs to be a clear different shade, not faded.

Hang on, I will get the palette.

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BTW, what percentage of people in your church are Chinese vs Foreigner? Do we need to translate the Patreon to Chinese?

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How is this?

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[taiwanluthiers]

I think it should be in chinese, but I'd say about 25% speaks english fluently

[Morningstar88]

aha good, got it.

Chinese or English above?

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I think it should be in chinese, but I'd say about 25% speaks english fluently

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[taiwanluthiers]

I'd say Chinese first

Can you show me an example? I went by the pallete you provided at the very top (since I didn't know if that was edited)