Item name adjustments (german language)

[skdubg]

hi,

there are some typos inside the cheat console for the german language. i will wrote the corrected entrys here.

monsters: 044-047: GARGOYLE

items: 085: MYSTISCHER GLOBUS 139: MAGISCHE FLUGSCHEIBE 312: VALDYN'S LEDERSCHUHE (its 20 chars long, could be too much, the max i see are 19) 358: SANSRIE'S HALSBAND

Also, the monster "Gargyle" is misspelled, it needs to be spelled "Gargoyle". I suspect this is misspelled throughout the game, can this be possible? I guess the same for 'Mystischer Globe'.

[Pyrdacor]

The names come directly from the game data so it is wrong there. I will check what is worth fixing in the original data. The max size for Valdyn's boots may be a bug of the cheat console. Will check that too.

[skdubg]

Later I got the idea that it could come directly from the game. 😁

I also thought about the apostrophe. I am not really familiar with the rules.

I have found at Wikipedia: The apostrophe may not be used to separate the genitive s. The apostrophe is only permitted to clarify proper nouns: "Christina's Blumenshop"

I have set this equal to "Sandra's Schlüssel", "Luminor's Turm",...

Thanks for your effort.

[a1exh]

085: MYSTISCHER GLOBUS 139: MAGISCHE FLUGSCHEIBE

Both of these are referred to by their correct spelling in other parts of the game.

[Pyrdacor]

085: MYSTISCHER GLOBUS 139: MAGISCHE FLUGSCHEIBE

Both of these are referred to by their correct spelling in other parts of the game.

I guess those are the already corrected names.

[a1exh]

Yes. The mistakes are

MYSTISCHER GLOBE MAGISCHE FLUGSCHEIB

[a1exh]

Perhaps the 2nd is the maximum number of characters?

I remember in the English version that one entry was 'YELLOW CARD SPHER' and we had to change it to 'YELLOWCARD SPHERE'

[skdubg]

its possible yes. same with VALDYN'S LEDERSCHUH(E)

but: the two maps entry are 20 chars long. after correction 21 chars. So 20 chars should be possible.

I will check tomorrow how this looks in the game. Could be that the font then protrudes into the graphics

[a1exh]

They are all different

YELLOW CARD SPHER 17 chars MAGISCHE FLUGSCHEIB 19 chars VALDYNS LEDERSCHUH 18 chars

Because these are in the two EXEs (AMB_CPU and AMB_BLT) I think that changing the string length of any entry (to more than it was) might be very hard to change.

At least that is what @Pyrdacor said when I wanted to change "YELLOW CARD SPHERE"

[Pyrdacor]

Item names are stored as 20 bytes but the last byte must be a null byte for termination. So you have 19 characters max.

[skdubg]

okay thanks for clarifination. but why are the map entrys 20 chars long?

[Pyrdacor]

Map names can be up to 65535 characters long in theory. They are stored together with all other map texts in XMap_texts.amb.

[Pyrdacor]

As @a1exh said the items are stored inside the executable. They are pieces of data embedded in the code. Most other resources are stored in separate files with different formats.

[skdubg]

OK I understand. Thank you. So 19 characters is the maximum.

[Pyrdacor]

We could use abbreviations like "Mag. Flugscheibe". I guess it is clear enough. And "Valdyns Lederschuhe" also fits.

[Pyrdacor]

I would prefer to remove the apostrophes anyway as they are unusual in German and we can save some space.

[Pyrdacor]

On my to-do list there are some fixes for the original data. I can adjust the item names too.

[skdubg]

yes thats a good idea. so we must/can remove all apostrophes from all texts?

[Pyrdacor]

yes thats a good idea. so we must/can remove all apostrophes from all texts?

I guess so. I will do a full text search and adjust it one by one. It's a shame the world map also uses it. :/

[skdubg]

a difficult decision :-P

It would perhaps be done for visual reasons on the world map. I like it better with apostrophe, because the name is then easier to recognize. But you guys decide. You have done more for this game than I have

[Pyrdacor]

I am not sure either. It would change a lot of texts I guess. Maybe I only change the Valdyn shoes. I could also use "Valdyn's Schuhe".

@a1exh Do you know the English name?

[skdubg]

Would also suffice, the other things from Valdyn are simple too (only sword, not longsword)

[a1exh]

@a1exh Do you know the English name?

??

v1.01 : VALDYNS LEDERSCHUHE v1.07 : VALDYN'S SHOES

If it was to be a literal translation I believe LEDERSCHUHE would have been : VALDYN'S LEATHER SHOES but it was too long.

To be consistent with the v1.07 data perhaps change to "VALDYN'S SCHUHE"?

[a1exh]

And "Valdyns Lederschuhe" also fits.

Isn't that what it was in v1.01?

Could it have been changed to "Valdyn's Lederschuh" in a later patch?

[skdubg]

I have looked again at the lengths of the maps. In some of them the text is so long that it protrudes into the graphics, this is not very nice visually.

I would vote for a shortening here to match it.

If we then know whether we want to write everywhere with or without apostrophe, this would also have to be adjusted for some maps.

sample:

visually it is one char to much, better would be just "Stadt Spannenberg".

[Pyrdacor]

And "Valdyns Lederschuhe" also fits.

Isn't that what it was in v1.01?

Could it have been changed to "Valdyn's Lederschuh" in a later patch?

I removed the apostrophe in relation to the current version to make space for the E. But strange that it already was written this way in 1.01. I guess someone wanted to add the apostrophe. I will change it back.

[skdubg]

i found another spelling error at the german version. when you talk to Nelvin, he always addresses you in a masculine way:

[Pyrdacor]

Will be hard to fix as there is no placeholder for "EDLE"/"EDLER". But thanks. Maybe @a1exh can add this to the bug list? Although it only affects the german version.

[Pyrdacor]

About the long texts that exceed the map title boundaries: This is the same in the original so I won't change that for now.

[skdubg]

sorry my mistake. now i understand it :)

[skdubg]

another text error, missing space

[skdubg]

fixed in excel list!

[skdubg]

fixed in excel list!

[skdubg]

Anthony misspells the board (it should be "Kommode"):

[skdubg]

it's not a typo, but a logical error in the flow. Two bandits attack, they each have a dagger, not a knife. it should be: "Dolchen"

Knife is good :)

[skdubg]

there should be a "ö", not "o"

and a "r" to much (verraten)

[skdubg]

fixed in excel list!

[Pyrdacor]

Thanks for reporting. I agree with most of them. But LOSUNGSWORT is a correct German word. LÖSUNGSWORT is kind of unusual but I guess in German you can create all kind of words by concatenating them. LOSUNG and LÖSUNG are related. LOSUNGSWORT is an older word and means a word to get access to some secret or closed area. While LÖSUNGSWORT means a word which solves a riddle. But more like a crossword puzzle. And in context of an RPG I prefer older words like the former.

The knife/dagger stuff isn't that important imo. At the end a dagger is just a type of knife. And if someone in the real worlds would play with a dagger in a dark back alley I still would refer to it as a knife.

[skdubg]

Thanks for the feedback. I didn't know the LOSUNGSWORT, a short research confirms your information (many thanks) , so it is correct in the game.

[skdubg]

I think the game will still have some spelling mistakes in german. So far I was only in the cellar, bandit house and Spannenberg. If you want another way I'll share that, let me know. I would otherwise just always attach a screenshot here

[Pyrdacor]

I am ok with that. Thanks for your efforts.

[skdubg]

a "z" is missing

[skdubg]

• a "l" is missing too
• is he asking us? the text shows "!?" i don't know if this is right

[Pyrdacor]

The combination of ! and ? is rare but it isn't forbidden. There are a few use cases. But in general you write the ? first. It may be used for irony or when you ask a question you think you know the answer to.

Please keep in mind that the game is a bit older. The "Neue deutsche Rechtschreibung" was introduced much later.

I think we should focus more on typos and wrong grammar. ;)

[skdubg]

i checked the english version, there is it right, first the "?", then "!", so i think we must change the order

[Pyrdacor]

I can do a search and replace. Shouldn't hurt.

[skdubg]

the comma must be removed

[skdubg]

something is wrong... ;)

EDIT: her correct name is "CLEMENTINE" (english data), both are wrong

[skdubg]

fixed in excel list!

[skdubg]

i also found texts with "ß" and texts without, but where it should be written with "ß". i think it is easier to delete "ß" and change it to "ss". (see text with Clementine)

[Pyrdacor]

I really like the German ß. I grew up with it and found it irritating that it was replaced in so many places with the "Neue deutsche Rechtschreibung". Hated that thing.

Thalion seems to have took some effort to make the ß available. I want to cherish and keep it. Call me old-fashioned but the game is old and I don't want to take it's old charm from it.

It's like an old book. You wouldn't correct the older language as long as it isn't obviously wrong in the context of that time. ;)