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@amogh112 - Additional writing tutors will require adding Iris' tutor logic to the animator graph for RoboTutor/app/src/main/assets/tutors/word_copy and any additional capabilities to support it to the writing component. Recognizing written punctuation may additionally involve RoboTutor/comp_ltkplus.
XPRIZE - Dev contains old stuff for writing recognition, e.g. prototype characters, that may still be relevant.
For stories see storydata.json in e.g. RTAsset_Publisher/RTAsset_Stories_SW_Set1/assets/story/sw/1/1_1/ and *.wav in e.g. RTAsset_Publisher/RTAsset_Stories_SW_Set1/assets/audio/sw/cmu/xprize/story_reading/quality_orig/1/1_1/
Btw Kevin was telling me that the current set of assets is hold in CodeDrop1_Assets, not in RTAsset_Publisher, which I was confused about. The naming is not great. Maybe RTAsset_Publisher should be updated with the current content of CodeDrop1_Assets and be used instead? Or are we supposed to continue to use CodeDrop1_Assets and you're specifically pointing to older versions?
@kevindeland - Can you confirm the following? CodeDrop1_Assets has the assets for 1.8.9.1, the version in Code Drop1 used at our 28 XPRIZE sites and 2 current beta sites. Newer assets should go to RTAsset_Publisher, not CodeDrop1_Assets.
@judithodili and @amogh112: For English narrations to use in writing prompts and 3 "micro-stories" about punctuation , see story folders in English Stories on Writing. The story.txt file for each story is more up to date than its Google doc.
Images of punctuation symbols are in punctuation symbols named, e.g., Space _.PNG and .JPG, to use in "punctuation stories "as follows:
We assume the kid has completed word copying activities for words at a given grade level before reading them in stories. Do the following 4 activities, one after each of the 4 times the kid reads a story:
After (the kid reads) the first story containing a punctuation symbol, e.g. space, present (in HEAR mode, i.e. showing the text) the punctuation story which discusses that symbol. So they may see the story about space, period, question mark, and exclamation mark 3-4 times, depending on when they first encounter each form of punctuation.
After the first time reading a story, give the kid 3 short sentences from it to copy, selected to contain only punctuation they've already seen in micro-stories.
After the 2nd (3rd?) time reading a story, dictate 3 short sentences from it.
After the kid encounters a punctuation symbol three times in stories, assign a sentence copying activity with three sentences selected to contain that symbol.
Successively harder sentence writing activities include:
Successively harder levels of scaffolding include:
Suggestions welcome for how to interleave these activities and levels of scaffolding into the literacy matrix.
Finally found the reference! I’d forgotten that it was about second language speakers of Swahili: "Using wrong spelling is another serious problem noted in this study. It ranks fifth in hierarchy. The following are some of the common spelling problems noted in the corpus. Correct Not Correct
From: Iris Hu iris.hu1020@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 10:45 PM To: Jack Mostow mostow@cs.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Weekly Discussion NotesIrisSep 16 Wednesday
Hi Jack,
Just had some interesting findings in a paper on Swahili writing problems: In Africa(Tanzania), Swahili is a “second” language when people have their ethnic community language as mother tongues which arise inferences in word spelling.
Msanjila Y P. Problems of writing in Kiswahili: a case study of Kigurunyembe and Morogoro secondary schools in Tanzania[J]. Nordic Journal of African Studies, 2005, 14(1): 15-25. (1) Students under study: 60 secondary school students in Tanzania who use Kiswahili as their second language (~interesting, they have ethnic community languages as mother tongues, but Kiswahili is used in day-to-day communication and as a formal working language.)
(2) Six types of problems and their frequency:
~ Besides spelling, we also need to account for capitalization and punctuation teaching and correction.
I definitely champion using research to tell us what the likely problems will be for students in reading and writing Swahili!
@amyogan - The apparent upshot is to teach capitalization and punctuation.
Hi Jack, I think we're missing data because I don't see anything about punctuation. But an important question is what can we slot in the next month that we have programming capacity for? :)
@amyogan - I'm not sure what type of data you mean, but Amogh is already implementing spelling, capitalization, and punctuation feedback as part of the sentence writing tutors. See new prompts on the WRITING tab of Swahili translations, used as instruction in English stories on writing and as reminders in feedback on writing.
I just mean something is missing - maybe from Iris's email? I don't see the list of issues that contains punctuation that came from the research.
Indeed! Pasting it into my comment above omitted the formatted table, so I'm forwarding you her 9/23/2015 (!) email that contained it.
@judithodili - Please point us to the script(s) and/or manual process(es) that incorporate story activities into the activity matrices for Stories (i.e. listening) and Reading & Writing (i.e. reading), as guidance for:
Which comprehension interventions to include where in the 4 (?) presentations of each story.
Where to incorporate the story-based sentence-writing activities and the mini-tutorial stories that teach punctuation and capitalization, introducing the same prompts subsequently used in the sentence writing tutor as scaffolding and corrective feedback.
Thanks. - Jack
-----Original Message----- From: Judith Odili Uchidiuno jio@andrew.cmu.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 4:27 PM To: Jack Mostow mostow@cs.cmu.edu Cc: Matthew Salim matthew.n.salim@gmail.com Subject: 2 quick questions about image files in story.txt RE: P.S. RE: Almost done + Missing recordings
They dont have to be in the same folder.... just give us the link to both the image folders and the audio folders.
JPG is better, but it is fairly easy to convert to png.
Judith/Matthew – 1. Must the image file be in the same folder as the story, or can stories share images? If so, what format should the image filepath be? 2. Must image files be .jpg, or can they be .png? Thanks. – Jack
@judithodili , @amogh112, @eyarzebinski, @msalim -
English Stories on Writing now contains very short stories to introduce capitalization and punctuation.
I will make Swahili equivalents ASAP using the same illustrations. I already have the narrations and just need to create the text files.
@judithodili, @amogh112, @eyarzebinski, @msalim, @amyogan - I made the Swahili equivalents of the English stories to teach capitalization and punctuation:
NOTE: Each story belongs in the literacy matrix shortly before the first writing activity that uses what it teaches, and not too long after kids have encountered examples of it in stories. The writing activities for it should use 3 of those examples.
@msalim and @amogh112 (or anyone else) - If you have problems, tell me right away via a GitHub issue!
@amogh112, @msalim, and @judithodili - To ensure both that kids see a punctuation symbol in a story before using it in a writing activity, simply schedule the following activities close together in the literacy matrix, near the first story the kid reads aloud that contains the symbol;
@amogh112 - If feasible, please make the sentence writing data source names indicate whether feedback is per character, word, or sentence, corresponding to successively higher levels of difficulty. Please get the per-character feedback activities working first, since the others will likely take longer. Thanks. - Jack
@JackMostow Sir, the version that you received in the last QA is over 60 commits and more than 10 days old. I had finished the immediate feedback, word level feedback and sentence level feedback and pushed the changes to Github. I am uploading the demos inhttps://drive.google.com/open?id=1XPyY0dKWCPibat8IgJRgsISzGVX9WB4C. I am fixing the errors that I am encountering while self testing, which are small yet easy to find because of multiple prompts and tutors in the same graph. Kevin mentioned that the apk will be generated over this weekend.
Sounds great! Gdrive isn’t letting me view the demos via the unsecured network connection from my hotel room, but I look forward to seeing your changes later today (at least in demo form) from my in-laws’ home, and to trying Kevin’s new apk. It’s exciting to see all the new work! When you get a chance, please point me to a table of the difficulty levels and sentence writing activities in terms of task (eg copy/fix/dictate), feedback timing, text (which story sentences at which text level), etc.
Sent from my iPhone so beware typos
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@JackMostowhttps://github.com/JackMostow Sir, the version that you received in the last QA is over 60 commits and more than 10 days old. I had finished the immediate feedback, word level feedback and sentence level feedback and pushed the changes to Github. I am uploading the demos inhttps://drive.google.com/open?id=1XPyY0dKWCPibat8IgJRgsISzGVX9WB4C. I am fixing the errors that I am encountering while self testing, which are small yet easy to find because of multiple prompts and tutors in the same graph. Kevin mentioned that the apk will be generated over this weekend.
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Amogh - Based on your two demo videos I added several items to the QA Google doc list for sentence writing. You probably saw them already. I’m just sending this email to be safe. Tomorrow I’ll be in transit with limited WiFi till I get home. Thanks! - Jack
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@JackMostowhttps://github.com/JackMostow Sir, the version that you received in the last QA is over 60 commits and more than 10 days old. I had finished the immediate feedback, word level feedback and sentence level feedback and pushed the changes to Github. I am uploading the demos inhttps://drive.google.com/open?id=1XPyY0dKWCPibat8IgJRgsISzGVX9WB4C. I am fixing the errors that I am encountering while self testing, which are small yet easy to find because of multiple prompts and tutors in the same graph. Kevin mentioned that the apk will be generated over this weekend.
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Thank you sir I was travelling in bus during the day and could not respond, I am analysing your comments and making a list of TODOs and prompts required. I am also adding more demos and corrections tonight.
Great! The demos were very helpful. It was only by seeing by seeing a "fix this" task that I realized such tasks mustn't display the stimulus. Thus we need to separate copy tasks and edit tasks into separate data sources. BTW, I haven't yet seen demos that show how to erase, insert, or delete a character. Did or will you implement them as animations, screen capture videos, or external videos?
@amogh112 and @kevindeland - In case WRITE doesn't already do this AND there's time to implement it: To address the high rejection rate of some written characters, the scaffolding sequence in response to a supposedly misspelled character should include animating writing the correct character as a model to imitate. I just suggested the same for ASM, so perhaps they can reuse a fragment of animation graph.
@amogh112 - I've been finding enough issues in the sentence writing activities in 2.3.0.1 that it will be faster for me to show you them in person than report them in a Google doc. (When) are you available to meet this afternoon? Thanks. - Jack
Yes Sir, I also have a few questions to ask. My schedule is flexible and can meet anytime. Thanks Amogh
Great, I'll come in this afternoon and let you know when I arrive. In the meantime:
Thanks! - Jack
Regards Amogh
@amogh112 - I just got in. Please come by. Let's use your latest version rather than 2.3.0.1 so as not to waste time on bugs you've already fixed.
@amogh112 - I'm trying the version you installed on my tablet when connected to it by cable.
The response ends with 3 blanks, I think due to inserting blanks earlier in the sentence.
Only one of them expects a period, which otherwise is rejected.
Solution:
Alright Sir I'll push the changes soon. Thanks
@amogh112 - How soon can you send an apk that I can use to test your latest version? Will it require any additional assets that aren't in your apk and that 2.3.0.1 doesn't already include?
@amogh112 - An emergency admin meeting at 3:30, minutes from now, needs to decide what will be ready to beta test and what to leave out. So I need an update ASAP from you about the state of the sentence writing tutor. In particular, which activities and data source items already work well enough to kid-test? - Jack
@eyarzebinski, @amogh112 , @judithodili , @kevindeland - [I'm posting Evelyn's message here and will respond in my next post via this GitHub issue.]
From: Evelyn Yarzebinski eyarzebinski@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 4:36 PM To: Jack Mostow mostow@cs.cmu.edu; Judith Uchidiuno jio@andrew.cmu.edu; Amogh Gupta amogh112@gmail.com; Kevin Deland kdeland@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: sentence writing dev updates
Hi Amogh,
Here is what Jack, Judith, Kevin, and I discussed just now to help get us to the Friday deadline:
Sentence Writing • Get rid of insert / delete buttons and arrows on the bottom of the screen • Get rid of green arrows and confirm that scrolling works like in other existing writing tutors from Code Drop 1 • Prioritize character feedback • Fix crash when tapping on stimulus • Logging!
Jack, please follow this up with any relevant context to help guide Amogh's work tonight and the rest of this week.
Thanks, Evelyn
@amogh112 - The outcome of the admin meeting just now was to streamline the sentence writing activities, in order to:
Get something robust in time to beta-test, @kevindeland needs it by Friday 10/5 at the latest if not sooner.
a. Fix any known crashes if you haven't already done so.
b. Fix any logging errors reported by @eyarzebinski, in particular relating to assessment. With insertion and deletion eliminated, logging may be as simple as:
i. Log writing a character to match its expected character as correct, otherwise incorrect.
ii. Log a skip from character i to i+2 as correct if i+1 is and should be a space, otherwise incorrect.
Simplify the UI/UX for usability.
a. Insertion and deletion are confusing and unfamiliar, and not how paper, pencil, and eraser behave.
b. The green arrows do not appear in the word writing UI/UX, which already uses scrolling, so hopefully kids will already know how to scroll.
c. Immediate feedback should reduce the need to scroll, insert, or delete.
Combat the high misrecognition rate we observed when biasing towards the expected character fails. Sticking with immediate character-level feedback and eliminating insertion and deletion will preserve the correspondence between the expected character and the writing box.
These changes raise the question of which of the following 4 sentence writing tasks to retain:
a. Copy displayed stimulus sentence from scratch. This task practices capitalization and punctuation.
b. Edit response sentence to match displayed stimulus sentence by fixing discrepancies between them, e.g. errors in spelling, capitalization, and/or punctuation. This task should help kids learn to notice them.
c. Edit response sentence to fix error(s) in spelling, capitalization, and/or punctuation after hearing but not seeing it. This task should help kids spot such errors.
d. Transcribe dictated sentence from scratch after hearing it but not seeing it. This is the EGRA task, which tasks a, b, and c should help prepare kids for and improve their performance on.
@amogh112 - Thanks for the changes you've already made, which I reported at the admin meeting just now. We need to test sentence writing to make sure it's ready to hand off to Kevin by 5pm Friday to put in the beta test. I also need to send an update by 9am tomorrow on its readiness.
The fastest way to test is the way we've been doing, using Android Studio to make any fixes needed.
Thanks! - Jack
Sir, should I push English prompts for now?
I have created a script and saved the converted prompts from Swahili Translations table in https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1um721dBlJJDccyRLRZFc159Lb5DBUbi6
Great! I took the liberty of renaming the folder to English-named Swahili prompts. It contains duplicates with the same name, but I don't expect them to cause trouble. There's one file named just ".wav" that presumably won't get found; it starts with "chini..." so it might be due to a bug. I didn't see "ah ah" but maybe it's there.
Can you use the English-named Swahili prompts? If so, please do!
Sir, Answering your email in the posts below.
Amogh – Please:
- Update us on the state of the sentence writing activities:
a. Using the English-named Swahili prompts you created by script
b. Any major problems remaining?
Please put your script(s) into AUDIO ASSETS > AUDIO TOOLS – they may help others as well.
Which if any sentence writing activities should we omit from the beta?
a. Do any activities still use or show the insert/delete buttons?
b. Do word- and sentence-level feedback work well enough to kid-test?
c. Sentence writing has more levels of hesitation-triggered feedback than most activities I saw today, some of which sit indefinitely if the kid hesitates. Bugs in deeper levels won’t show up if the kid corrects errors first.
d. Eliminating the insert/delete buttons and ß à arrows reduced the need for an intro video because the UI/UX works the same as for character and word writing except for spaces.
Thanks. – Jack
1.b. Not in letter level. Testing and working on things in others.
I'm working on things, so I would like to give updated answers regarding the status soon. Regards
Leonora – Can you record these 4 Swahili prompts ASAP – on your phone if necessary – and send them to Amogh and me – as .wav files if possible, otherwise as selfie videos so Amogh can extract their audio? I marked them in Swahili translationshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11feAhhQqrpJC2waSpOkReMiG3SwmNOofrkir3JljmVM/edit#gid=114862664 as recorded, but if so, I didn’t upload them to Google Drive. Thanks! - Jack
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Hi Jack, I did it and sent to your phone. Amogh, if you would rather I send to your phone, please send me your number. I will forward right away. Leonora
From: Jack Mostow mostow@cs.cmu.edu Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2018 1:02 PM To: 'Leonora Kivuva'; 'Amogh Gupta' Cc: 'RoboTutorLLC/RoboTutor' Subject: record and send 4 missing prompts ASAP? RE: [RoboTutorLLC/RoboTutor] Sentence writing tutor (#88)
Leonora – Can you record these 4 Swahili prompts ASAP – on your phone if necessary – and send them to Amogh and me – as .wav files if possible, otherwise as selfie videos so Amogh can extract their audio? I marked them in Swahili translationshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11feAhhQqrpJC2waSpOkReMiG3SwmNOofrkir3JljmVM/edit#gid=114862664 as recorded, but if so, I didn’t upload them to Google Drive.
Thanks! - Jack
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Hi If sending over Whatsapp is more convenient for you, my whatsapp number is +919654034920. Thanks a lot! Regards Amogh
On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 1:50 PM Leonora Kivuva lakivuva@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Jack, I did it and sent to your phone. Amogh, if you would rather I send to your phone, please send me your number. I will forward right away. Leonora
From: Jack Mostow mostow@cs.cmu.edu Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2018 1:02 PM To: 'Leonora Kivuva'; 'Amogh Gupta' Cc: 'RoboTutorLLC/RoboTutor' Subject: record and send 4 missing prompts ASAP? RE: [RoboTutorLLC/RoboTutor] Sentence writing tutor (#88)
Leonora – Can you record these 4 Swahili prompts ASAP – on your phone if necessary – and send them to Amogh and me – as .wav files if possible, otherwise as selfie videos so Amogh can extract their audio? I marked them in Swahili translations https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11feAhhQqrpJC2waSpOkReMiG3SwmNOofrkir3JljmVM/edit#gid=114862664 as recorded, but if so, I didn’t upload them to Google Drive.
Thanks! - Jack
- Please fix the wrong word ie Tafadhali sahihisha neno lisilo sahihi.
- Please fix this word ie Tafadhali sahihisha neno hili.
- This letter is not needed ie Herufi hii haihitajiki.
- Please write not generated by script, not in swahili translations, but had an english prompt which I use to say "Please write" + "like this"
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Hi Amogh, I do not have whatsapp. I guess Dr. Mostow will have to forward them to you via email. I have a new phone and my email is not set up yet. Thanks. Regards, Leonora
From: Amogh Gupta amogh112@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2018 2:45 PM To: lakivuva@hotmail.com Cc: Jack Mostow; reply@reply.github.com Subject: Re: record and send 4 missing prompts ASAP? RE: [RoboTutorLLC/RoboTutor] Sentence writing tutor (#88)
Hi If sending over Whatsapp is more convenient for you, my whatsapp number is +919654034920. Thanks a lot! Regards Amogh
On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 1:50 PM Leonora Kivuva lakivuva@hotmail.com<mailto:lakivuva@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Jack, I did it and sent to your phone. Amogh, if you would rather I send to your phone, please send me your number. I will forward right away. Leonora
From: Jack Mostow mostow@cs.cmu.edu<mailto:mostow@cs.cmu.edu> Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2018 1:02 PM To: 'Leonora Kivuva'; 'Amogh Gupta' Cc: 'RoboTutorLLC/RoboTutor' Subject: record and send 4 missing prompts ASAP? RE: [RoboTutorLLC/RoboTutor] Sentence writing tutor (#88)
Leonora – Can you record these 4 Swahili prompts ASAP – on your phone if necessary – and send them to Amogh and me – as .wav files if possible, otherwise as selfie videos so Amogh can extract their audio? I marked them in Swahili translationshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11feAhhQqrpJC2waSpOkReMiG3SwmNOofrkir3JljmVM/edit#gid=114862664 as recorded, but if so, I didn’t upload them to Google Drive.
Thanks! - Jack
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Amogh - I received the recordings via text as two .m4a files and will forward them to you as soon as I figure out how. Can you extract individual prompts from them or should I? - Jack
From: Leonora Kivuva lakivuva@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 2:50 PM To: Amogh Gupta amogh112@gmail.com Cc: Jack Mostow mostow@cs.cmu.edu; reply@reply.github.com Subject: Re: record and send 4 missing prompts ASAP? RE: [RoboTutorLLC/RoboTutor] Sentence writing tutor (#88)
Hi Amogh, I do not have whatsapp. I guess Dr. Mostow will have to forward them to you via email. I have a new phone and my email is not set up yet. Thanks. Regards, Leonora
From: Amogh Gupta amogh112@gmail.com<mailto:amogh112@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2018 2:45 PM To: lakivuva@hotmail.commailto:lakivuva@hotmail.com Cc: Jack Mostow; reply@reply.github.com Subject: Re: record and send 4 missing prompts ASAP? RE: [RoboTutorLLC/RoboTutor] Sentence writing tutor (#88)
Hi If sending over Whatsapp is more convenient for you, my whatsapp number is +919654034920. Thanks a lot! Regards Amogh
On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 1:50 PM Leonora Kivuva lakivuva@hotmail.com<mailto:lakivuva@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Jack, I did it and sent to your phone. Amogh, if you would rather I send to your phone, please send me your number. I will forward right away. Leonora
From: Jack Mostow mostow@cs.cmu.edu<mailto:mostow@cs.cmu.edu> Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2018 1:02 PM To: 'Leonora Kivuva'; 'Amogh Gupta' Cc: 'RoboTutorLLC/RoboTutor' Subject: record and send 4 missing prompts ASAP? RE: [RoboTutorLLC/RoboTutor] Sentence writing tutor (#88)
Leonora - Can you record these 4 Swahili prompts ASAP - on your phone if necessary - and send them to Amogh and me - as .wav files if possible, otherwise as selfie videos so Amogh can extract their audio? I marked them in Swahili translationshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11feAhhQqrpJC2waSpOkReMiG3SwmNOofrkir3JljmVM/edit#gid=114862664 as recorded, but if so, I didn't upload them to Google Drive.
Thanks! - Jack
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Sir, I can do that Thanks!
From @JackMostow on February 2, 2017 2:21
Sentence writing (see XPRIZE – Home > Design Discussion > FINGER WRITING > Writing Tutor > writing_tutor_20160726). May be easier than punctuation tutor?
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