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(be/get s.t.) "over with" #419

Closed nschneid closed 11 months ago

nschneid commented 11 months ago

There are at least two ways that "over with" can have a completive meaning:

Collins Dictionary lists this as an Americanism.

In the predicative complement usage seen in GUM, "with" is technically optional—maybe it adds some sort of emphasis or is just more colloquial.

In the idiom "get something over with", both "over" and "with" are mandatory. This is NOT the standard verb particle construction (compound:prt) because the direct object must precede both "over" and "with": *Let's get over with our remaining tasks.

Would it make sense to treat "over"+"with" as some sort of compound, or fixed?

What are the correct UPOS tags? ADV+ADV? The current data are inconsistent.

amir-zeldes commented 11 months ago

Hm, I really don't know... I don't love inflating the fixed list, it seems like a really niche expression to list. Maybe flat? Or I guess compound would be OK too. As you pointed out, the cases where it's optional require "over", so maybe that is actually the head?

nschneid commented 11 months ago

I'm skeptical of adding it to fixed because it doesn't seem as grammaticized as items on the list. It is just a sort of idiom. compound headed by "over" is probably our best bet. ADV+ADV?

amir-zeldes commented 11 months ago

It's a pretty unusual thing to call a compound, but I don't see a much better option... maybe dep is better? We have it in various places in GUM where we want to say 'we know what the head is, but this is idiosyncratic and there is no general name for this' (currently includes cases discussed under the proposed nmod:desc too)

nschneid commented 11 months ago

I think compound is pretty broad and makes sense since it's rather lexicalized. I'd rather reserve dep for combinations that are not really grammar, but rather genre-specific textual conventions like citations, or uninterpretable combinations, etc.

amir-zeldes commented 11 months ago

OK, I don't have a better suggestion and I can live with that

nschneid commented 11 months ago

fixed in EWT

amir-zeldes commented 11 months ago

fixed upstream in GUM as well