Haunting

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Ts: One huge weakness of the classic werewolves/mafia type games is perma death, making it so that some players will not get to play for a significant amount of the game. Any suggestions to resolve/alleviate this are welcome in this thread, but I want to bring up one that was actually done in this game in the (distant) past: Way back in S1-S2 it was possible for the dead players to "haunt" tavern during the night, making is to some whispers would reach that channel. IIRC this was done by generating a randomize list of words and having the dead players vote on this. This was horrible in every way. Is there anything we could do to bring back haunting in some way? I'm absolutely not sure how it could be executed in a better way or if that is even possible, but if there was an idea it could possibly be tied to an otherwise powerless TM role. Anyone have any opinions/suggestions or completely different ideas for involving dead players more?

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!Phantomtomic: I feel like more dead interactivity is nice but the problem with chatting with the dead is the dead knows basically everything about the game

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Ts: yea

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Ts: unless we get rid of that (in some cases at least?)

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Ts: Could have a mode in which dead players: • only gain access to #graveyard (split off from #dead_spectator) but nothing else • can no longer chat in any channels but their ind sc • can still create ccs but only with other dead players

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Captain Luffy: i like that, or maybe not as a permanent thing but as alternate game mode or something

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Captain Luffy: the only issue comes with like reporter or something, an unclaimed person, but like that only matters for the first person to die usually

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Ts:

the only issue comes with like reporter or something, an unclaimed person, but like that only matters for the first person to die usually

wdym?

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Captain Luffy: i mean like, the dead person could say what their supposed role is

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Ts: well only to other dead people

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Captain Luffy: yeah but there'd be some form of communication available

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Captain Luffy: or interaction

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Ts: yea

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Captain Luffy: its a conflict, but like, not necessarily a problem ig

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Ts: Ghost Mode

Base mechanics:

• Dead players do not become full spectators, instead their channels become locked (except for their INDSC) and they gain access to #graveyard a channel shared with all the other dead players (they become ghosts)
• Dead players can still read messages in public channels, their scs and ccs, but cannot write there anymore
• Dead players may still create ccs - but only with other dead players
• Dead players can not use their abilities anymore

Some possible ideas for additional mechanics: (1) When there are >5 Ghosts, each night (or day) they will vote on a ghost to permanently eliminate (2) "Ghostly" role modifier - players with this modifier can only use their role ability after death (3) (TM) - as long as this role lives each ghost can anonymously whisper one message per day (or night) (several messages for several roles) (a) message can be anything (b) limitations apply (4) (TI?) - (a) may check the true identity of one whisper (b) sees the true identity of all whispers (5) Spirtualist - this role may be more effective if it's used as an exclusive role for this mode (6) Medium - the way medium works may have to change in this mode. I suppose every Ghost would be told the question (without knowing the Medium) and could anonymously answer

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Captain Luffy: change medium or make a separate role

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Captain Luffy: could have a category of roles like transformation, but just for this mode. which would ofc be exclusive to the mode

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Ts: yea

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Captain Luffy: they can talk in their personal sc right

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Captain Luffy: they need to be able to privately ask host questions

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Ts: yea

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Ts: thats the INDSC

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Captain Luffy: oh and ghost is like reverse medium in this, thats really cool

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Ts: I'm not sure what you mean by that

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Captain Luffy: i mean, it can talk from dead to living, instead of reverse

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Ts: ah

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Ts: yea

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Captain Luffy: role ideas:

• medium-like role that can make a whisper channel with a ghost. possibly some limitation could exist
• wolf that can kill ghosts, undetermined whether its while they are still alive, or after they die
• a ua role that makes use of this mechanic in some way
• possibly 1 election role that does something

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Ts: (1) bidirectional? (2) second option seems more interesting (3) sure (4) as in, the ghosts elect?

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Captain Luffy: 4- yeah. like a ghost mayor, except could be something completely new maybe

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Ts: could work if theres a good idea

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Ts: but not ghost mayor

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Captain Luffy: 1- i mean like spiritualist, but only if theyre alive. with possible limitations

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Ts: so one way whisper to a ghost?

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Ts: I think that's not that useful tbh

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Captain Luffy: that couldbe one way, but i meant bidirectional like usual whisper channels

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Captain Luffy: like a normal spirit medium

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Ts: ah

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Captain Luffy: also this makes me think of reaper lol

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huckhuck55: Within the graveyard, could nom a ghost or something, that whispers in a new room (church? Idk) they could claim to be anyone if a scum is nominated, thus feeding town bunk info.

New roles could come with.

• necromancer (raises the dead as members of their team to tamper with votes or smth) or could have a seperate poll in the graveyard and add the votes to the living poll.
• medium can choose one person to talk to. Person talks in whispers again. Or maybe they get a random person in a cc, up to them to figure out who it is and if they can trust them.

Could all be bad ideas, but hey ho. Maybe they give you better ideas 🤷🏻‍♂️

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huckhuck55: (Sorry, I realize luffy touched on a couple of these ideas, but wtv. )

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The8thSoul:

• wolf that can kill ghosts, undetermined whether its while they are still alive, or after they die Probably better while dead, coz then dead players must also try to eliminate the ghost wolf as townsfolk, which would mean that they need to stay on the lookout

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The8thSoul: possibly with a limitation (e.g. there must be at least 3 ghosts before you can kill/the number of werewolf ghosts must not be outnumbering the rest of the ghosts)

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Captain Luffy: the problem with the ghost lynch is that people already know roles

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Captain Luffy: so it shuold be a straight forward lynch probably

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Ts: they wouldn't know any additional roles though?

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Captain Luffy: i mean whatever side has majority in dead chat will just lynch the other teams every day

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Captain Luffy: needs to be a more complicated lynch system for it to work

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Ts: This only applies if (a) all decisions by the living players are perfect or (b) if the dead players gain no additional information

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Captain Luffy: i mean if one person was in trusted chat, they have the reporter results

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Captain Luffy: cuz they can see the scs right, just not talk in them