Grinch

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derpsnorlax: 3 ppl in a game will be grinches

Eg setup: Werewolf Werewolf Werewolf Werewolf One of these werewolves will be randomly chosen to be a Grinch

Some neutral Grinch Lord - Gets a night kill, a roleblock and a heal

Town Town Town Town Town Etc One of the town members will be randomly chosen to be a grinch

The grinches have to betray their teams and win together. The grinches know each other and have a personal chat. One Grinch is a werewolf, one is a town and one is the Grinch Lord. All grinches don't need to be alive to win, as long as one grinch is the last one standing, the grinches win. When only one Grinch is left alive, that Grinch gets nightly kills. If werewolves are completely eliminated including the werewolf Grinch and both the other grinches are still alive, the two grinches get nightly kills with the Grinch Lord deciding the kills.

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☠ Nick ☠: Oh so its like Town traitor from town of salem but every team has a traitor

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☠ Nick ☠: and also i dont think we do roleblocking in these games.

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derpsnorlax: Oh

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derpsnorlax: Idrk

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derpsnorlax: Much abt the specifics of this game so

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☠ Nick ☠: like if you see any role in the website you wont see a role that roleblocks

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☠ Nick ☠: so yeah

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☠ Nick ☠: Do their abilities count as normal or are they just a normal grinch?

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☠ Nick ☠: like if its a town investigate do they still peform their action at night?

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☠ Nick ☠: oh wait i read further

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☠ Nick ☠: i see

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☠ Nick ☠: but this kinda remind of me of hags

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!Phantomtomic: It's hags but they betray their team

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☠ Nick ☠: also does every team needs to have a grinch if they are in the game? Like if there are 4 teams (Town,Werewolves, neutral/solo, Unaligned) Does that mean that also Unaligned is a grinch?

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☠ Nick ☠: or is it only 3?

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!Phantomtomic: Just town and wolves

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!Phantomtomic: As stated in the desc

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☠ Nick ☠: Yeah but there is also a Grinch Lord

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☠ Nick ☠: which kills and heals

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!Phantomtomic: "One Grinch is a werewolf, one is a town and one is the Grinch Lord. "

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☠ Nick ☠: i dont think we need heal. Heal is kinda overpowered

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!Phantomtomic: Heal is equivalent to prot

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derpsnorlax:

"One Grinch is a werewolf, one is a town and one is the Grinch Lord. "

I mean, you don't have to take my word for it. It definitely needs balancing before it can be even considered as viable. Ig their numbers would increase or decrease depending on the setup

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shapechange: hmm

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shapechange: im not sure this super fits the game

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shapechange: but it's definitely interesting

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☠ Nick ☠:

I mean, you don't have to take my word for it. It definitely needs balancing before it can be even considered as viable. Ig their numbers would increase or decrease depending on the setup

Also do the grinches have disguises? Are they disguised as their original role or do they appear as grinch from the investigative roles?

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huckhuck55: Pretty cool imo. Would make for some very cagey games.

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derpsnorlax:

Also do the grinches have disguises? Are they disguised as their original role or do they appear as grinch from the investigative roles?

Their roles work the same as their normal roles. Invest results are also same. Grinch is more like a modifier

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derpsnorlax: Also this is inspired by United uhc, idk how many ppl know what it is but, yeah

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e_thsn: in reality this is a different team that's pretending to be another role, it's kinda like white werewolf for all teams, the issue then is that we'd make it a role and then they'd still have to claim what we give them while that role also exists in the game otherwise people would know because the role the grinch is claiming isn't in the list

TL;DR This is basically a betrayal solo team, if say there was a grinch pretending to be "Scared Wolf" there would be 1 scared wolf listed in the role list but 2 people claiming scared wolf

It really only works for closed lists

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shapechange: unless it was specifically made a modifier

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☠ Nick ☠: actually yeah a modifier could work on this. But the Grinch Lord will be a legit role in solos right?

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derpsnorlax:

in reality this is a different team that's pretending to be another role, it's kinda like white werewolf for all teams, the issue then is that we'd make it a role and then they'd still have to claim what we give them while that role also exists in the game otherwise people would know because the role the grinch is claiming isn't in the list

TL;DR This is basically a betrayal solo team, if say there was a grinch pretending to be "Scared Wolf" there would be 1 scared wolf listed in the role list but 2 people claiming scared wolf

It really only works for closed lists

Uh what? I don't understand what it means but a random werewolf would get picked as Grinch. Doesn't matter what role the werewolf has. They retain that ability aswell.

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derpsnorlax: Ohhh ok I get it

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derpsnorlax: Grinch isn't a role

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derpsnorlax: It's a modifier

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derpsnorlax: Except for Grinch lord

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derpsnorlax: A random werewolf gets the Grinch modifier. This can be the alpha wolf, the shaman wolf, whatever.

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derpsnorlax: Same with town

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derpsnorlax: This works better in mafia where there are more townies and more claimspaces so I wanna retract this suggestion either way

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derpsnorlax: The lack of claimspace makes Grinch Lord difficult to play

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shapechange:

actually yeah a modifier could work on this. But the Grinch Lord will be a legit role in solos right?

it would be if added

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shapechange: again, i'm not sure this is a team/mechanic we'd add to the game

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e_thsn:

unless it was specifically made a modifier

Modifiers don't have an alignment they just apply the base role's alignment

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shapechange:

Modifiers don't have an alignment they just apply the base role's alignment

ethan do you assume i don't know how this game works

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shapechange: it would be different to our current modifiers, obviously, but that isn't to say it couldn't be a modifier

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e_thsn: No I was just saying the role wouldn't work as a modifier because it has a different alignment

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e_thsn: plus how our alignments work it combines them rather than change them if you have 2

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shapechange: there is literally nothing to say that we couldn't add a "this alignment replaces the role's alignment" clause