Delete or Rework Nightmare

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shapechange: nobody uses nightmare team (because it sucks) solution 1: make it not suck solution 2: make it not exist

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captainluffy: I mean people like the role

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e_thsn: 1.222222222222 rating out of 2

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federick: I mean by the fact that there aren't constant role suggestions to modify it I'd say it's pretty succesful

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mctsts: we just modified it in the last update

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e_thsn: <:KEK:1024468566835204137>

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federick: major?

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e_thsn: We also just removed LA

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mctsts: on average we update it every 2 months

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mctsts:

major?

yes

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federick: <:Thonk:356936480221954048>

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mctsts: a fundamental change to how the role works

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captainluffy: But if it was a less liked role we'd have deleted it instead

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e_thsn: we deleted la which was more liked

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e_thsn: :)

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captainluffy: I didn't like la

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captainluffy: Super unbalanced

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mctsts: yea

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e_thsn:

yea

you rated it 2 <:thonque:775345553600675850>

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mctsts: yea its a great role

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e_thsn: ah

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jeand.arch: Lol yea luffy i can tell u hate LA

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jeand.arch: Anyways i like the rework idea

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les_fantome: :spirt

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e_thsn: <@234474456624529410> this is your role

Is the rework going to be prevents a dying sleepless player from dying for a phase, sends them to an anonymous whisper channel and they can request reaper to kill a player + wraith becomes solo invest?

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captainluffy: i dont really understand what u said

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e_thsn:

i dont really understand what u said

reaper makes player sleepless at night

if said player would die they instead reaper learns their current role and they gain a macho like state where they join a chat (call it limbo for now) for a phase reaper can talk to players in limbo and players in limbo can request that reaper attack another player, reaper can then approve or deny requests

wraith also gets an invest ability to help

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e_thsn: I can mock up a role desc

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captainluffy: i dont really like that change personally

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e_thsn: how would you rework it?

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captainluffy: personally i like the current version

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e_thsn: you voted rework

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captainluffy: the complaints i saw were for the version before it

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e_thsn: plus current version is a mess

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e_thsn:

the complaints i saw were for the version before it

current version has the same issues

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e_thsn: 4 unconnected powers

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captainluffy: lol there is no way it has the same issues

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e_thsn: Reaper's powers

• learns dead players roles
• when a player dies can get an ability
• can turn a player sleepless
• kills sleepless players that visit it
• always active redirection

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shapechange:

personally i like the current version

unfortunately everyone else in this server disagrees with you

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e_thsn: 5 different powers

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e_thsn: only 2 of which are linked

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captainluffy: 3 of htem are passives

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e_thsn: the only other thing I can think of is an sk who makes players sleepless then gets a kill if a sleepless player dies, except if reaper kills them

<@458727748504911884> that sounds better actually?

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shapechange: sounds hard and boring

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shapechange: just pyro but harderer and boringer

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e_thsn: oh it is the stack 'em up and knock 'em down effect

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e_thsn: yeah

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e_thsn: other one is like devil too

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e_thsn: imo we rework reaper cohesively by

makes players sleepless if sleepless player dies (x happens) x = ability to kill in some way an interaction with death (learns dead roles talks to dead players)

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captainluffy: ill think about it later, im busy in a vc rn so i dont have the multitasking brain capacity atm

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e_thsn:

imo we rework reaper cohesively by

makes players sleepless if sleepless player dies (x happens) x = ability to kill in some way an interaction with death (learns dead roles talks to dead players)

<@242983689921888256> what do you think of this formula for a new reaper design

or is it just better to scrap it even though rework won the poll