Rename Hellhound

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shapechange: Hellhound should, imo, be renamed for two reasons: a) improving consistency - all other lycans, except bloody butcher, have the word "wolf" in their name: this also makes them easy to identify b) potential confusion with hell team - whilst i don't think actual confusion has been an issue, it really doesn't make sense to have a role called hellhound on a team other than hell

So, this is really two issues in one: should Hellhound be renamed, and if so, to what?

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shapechange: <@242983689921888256> <@544125116640919557> <@432509498574503947> (pinging you because you've had some name suggestions for other roles in the past) - any thoughts on this?

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the8thsoul: Pack Brothers

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the8thsoul: idk

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shapechange: Ideally it would have Wolf in the name

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mctsts: I agree that the name is not optimal, but I don't think there's much value in renaming it

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the8thsoul: Wolf Siblings

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mctsts: We barely ever use the role

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the8thsoul: lol yeah

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mctsts: We last used it in S9G1A

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mctsts: But I'm currently struggling to understand why

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the8thsoul: maybe coz it's only useful against WWW

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the8thsoul: there is literally no other point in the role existing

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mctsts: Incorrect

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e_thsn: Vampires too

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mctsts: it also works against old Cupid and Vampire

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the8thsoul: Ah

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the8thsoul: forgot

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the8thsoul: But we also rarely use Vampire right? In comparison to Hell, Pyro and WWW

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mctsts: Anyway it seems in S9G1A it was used potentially as it was a partial list(?) and to throw off the counts of categories?

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mctsts: so it wasnt even used to have HH from what I can tell

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e_thsn: I think we don't use it because it wastes 2 wolves and we never really have many basic wolves unless we have www which WWW can't mimic HH

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e_thsn: basically

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e_thsn: we can't have 2 wolves with an extra power if we have hh

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e_thsn: whereas AW which fills a similar role costs 1 wolf and has extra powers

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the8thsoul: maybe hh should have some slight buff

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the8thsoul: like an ability that can only be used when there are at least 2 alive

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e_thsn: I think maybe HH can mimic an arbitrary Pack role each

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mctsts: We've only used the role 4 times on this server OS3C For its main purpose as WWW counter S6G6 As Vampire Counter (since then this use has been superceded by AW) OS8E Actually for its purpose from what I can tell (WWW counter) S9G1A Lone HH Reason unknown? Only to throw of a partial list?

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e_thsn: that way you can have HH + not waste a slot

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mctsts: So this role has been used 2 times for its actual purpose here

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mctsts: And that purpose is to counter one of the already harder to play as solos

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mctsts: And the solo that already makes it harder to design a wolfpack

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mctsts: Which coincidentally is the same thing HHs also do

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mctsts: The role barely has any value as it, so we might as well remove it honestly

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e_thsn: remember we had them Os8D as vamp + Graveyard counter but we used hellish scared wolves

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mctsts: that's been superceded by Alpha Wolf since then

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e_thsn: Also

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the8thsoul: So basically Alpha Wolf should've just been a complete replacement to Hellhound?

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e_thsn: AW used to have a reveal to pack when it uses it's killchange that's been completely mitigated in use by it's loyalty ability

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mctsts: AW just does alignment change counter better than HH

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mctsts: so HH only really work as WWW counter now

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e_thsn:

When they overwrite the wolfpack poll, the Alpha Wolf may also choose to reveal themself to the pack.

This was so AW could prove they hadn't changed alignment

Kinda useless now

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mctsts:

This was so AW could prove they hadn't changed alignment ??

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mctsts: source of that quote

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e_thsn: quoted wrong part

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mctsts: Yeah, that's not correct

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mctsts: The announcement is so they can prove themselves same way as RK/Barber/Exe

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e_thsn: but why would they need to do that outside of alignment changes

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e_thsn: they paint a target on their back if they do it vs www

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mctsts: its so they can prove themselves as not WWW 🤷