Rogue Wolf Thread

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shapechange: Thread for the discussion of rogue wolf (opinions and suggestions).

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mctsts:

AT would already see any killing role as a threat: CS wouldn't be affected because if it's checking a RW claim it'll know not to check it as RW.

but CS still cant confirm it

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mctsts:

AT would already see any killing role as a threat: CS wouldn't be affected because if it's checking a RW claim it'll know not to check it as RW.

right I forgot how AT works

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mctsts: technically I suppose RW could be disguised as PT but that's an obscure edge case and not a relevant argument

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e_thsn: TrW would also see RW as no threat depending on the disguise

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mctsts: yeah so basically it works on all WI

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shapechange:

but CS still cant confirm it

it can in the event that the role it'd be imitating is known (obvious in public lists, possible with reporter results/other checks)

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mctsts: well not really

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mctsts: you'd still need the mechanical confirmation

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shapechange:

PW also can't check RW as RW

but PW will know the most common pack role unless there's multiple candidates, and can probably make an educated guess as to what hosts chose even if there are

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mctsts: right so on PW it doesnt really work

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shapechange:

you'd still need the mechanical confirmation

which is easy to get, something I've been saying from the start

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e_thsn: PW works if RW isn't known

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mctsts: I thought the RW disguise was an arbitrary pack role, not the most common one

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shapechange: I like it being a lycan and I'm happy to keep that if the kill stuff is changed like you suggested, I'm not saying it should be removed

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mctsts: I only care for the lycan part, the killing mechanic is just the best option we settled on

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mctsts: This was my original suggestion after all:

The Regretful Wolf is a town aligned packless lycan who feels remorse for killing town. However they must still kill every night.

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shapechange: yeah, i really liked some of our old regretful/rogue wolf stuff

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shapechange: like forced kills with consequences

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e_thsn: I think one mechanic that is severely underated with RW compaired to other TK is it can't just "save the kill for later"

N2 town might suspect Ts of being a wolf but not be sure

Assassin, CL and Priest can wait another night as they can attack every night (assassin and CL after N2) as long as they don't die Whereas rogue wolf isn't guaranteed to be able to attack N3 so town has to play riskier with their kills

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shapechange:

like forced kills with consequences

to me these are super interesting and massively affect how town has to play

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mctsts: yeah but the consequence role change is bad and the consequence death is priest

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shapechange: yeah i agree

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shapechange: which is why that was scrapped

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shapechange: but I'm sure we could come up with something else

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mctsts: I don't think we were able to

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e_thsn: Rogue Wolf's identity is revealed to wolves?

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shapechange: i was just thinking that

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shapechange: i think a previous suggestion was RW loses its power

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e_thsn: that sucked because it was really similar to Priest

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e_thsn: and when we did it we made it too complex

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shapechange: i mean, it's less similar than it being revealed to wolves

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shapechange: maybe it can no longer control who it kills (its targets are randomised), which is interesting then because town has to either waste a lynch on it or gamble on keeping it alive

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shapechange: then it has some fun potential when combined with, say, witch or guardian or ch

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shapechange: also - without reporter, town don't even know if rogue wolf has gone crazed

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e_thsn: RW is just gonna tell tt

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shapechange: maybe RW doesn't know itself

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e_thsn: and if it's forced kills it's gonna suck

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shapechange:

and if it's forced kills it's gonna suck

?

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maybe RW doesn't know itself

like, it wouldn't know until its first bad kill, probably

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e_thsn: if failing gives a consequence of random kills we can't have forced kills

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shapechange: why?

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shapechange: that's the point

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e_thsn: N1 kills town because it has no info, basically becomes useless

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e_thsn: that was the issue with old rw

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shapechange: it wouldn't have a N1 kill?

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shapechange: oh i forgot you weren't here for OG rogue wolf

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e_thsn: if it doesn't have tt by N2 it is basically useless and assassin would be better

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shapechange: it didn't have a N1 kill, it killed from N2 onwards

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e_thsn: the first publsihed version had N1

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e_thsn:

oh i forgot you weren't here for OG rogue wolf

I was?