New TK suggestion

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e_thsn:

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mctsts: This role needs a champion

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venomousbirds: i'm not opposed but i definitely wouldnt champion it

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venomousbirds: also the name is still very confusing to me but as nobody else sees it that way i dont think it really needs changing

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mctsts: I do think it does fill one of the biggest niche I find myself struggling with when creating lists

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captainluffy: well, it passed the vote

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mctsts:

also the name is still very confusing to me but as nobody else sees it that way i dont think it really needs changing

I think another name could be better

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mctsts: But I have no alternative suggestions

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venomousbirds: poisoner

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venomousbirds: joking

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mctsts: makes it feel like a wolf role to me

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mctsts: maybe bc it was a previously suggested wolf role

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captainluffy: in most places ive seen poisoner is a mafia role

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venomousbirds: yeah we also dont really name things literally after their actions generally

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venomousbirds: sab wolf, but thats another wolf role

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venomousbirds: huntress, hooker, medium etc all imply what they do but dont have the literal actions in them

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mctsts: I don't think this is an exciting role, but it may give us more choices than Assassin or Priest for strong TK

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venomousbirds: it fills a gap

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venomousbirds: but i also think its weird

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venomousbirds: it feels almost ua to me

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mctsts: (CL and RW exist, but CL is much more complicated to use and RW is shit)

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venomousbirds: oh

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venomousbirds: this is almost just witch

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venomousbirds: thats why i dont like it too much

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venomousbirds: it just feels like an edited witch

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mctsts: I can sort of see where you're coming from (it has both "heal" and "kill" actions), but the way the actions work are fundamentally different

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venomousbirds: is it an attack

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venomousbirds: or is it a kill

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venomousbirds: (avoidable or not)

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captainluffy: delayed kill

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captainluffy: i dont think any role does someting like that

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venomousbirds: that doesnt answer my question actually

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venomousbirds: i shouldve specified

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venomousbirds: is it an avoidable attack or do they just die

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venomousbirds:

i dont think any role does someting like that

HoD

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captainluffy: its avoidable if they use the cure, or if they die first

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mctsts:

is it an avoidable attack or do they just die

unavoidable attack = kill

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venomousbirds: yeah

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venomousbirds: that makes sense

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venomousbirds:

its avoidable if they use the cure, or if they die first

also not what i was asking

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venomousbirds: yeah in that case it'll have to be specified, probably

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venomousbirds: otherwise it might seem like it is an attack

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venomousbirds: (hod is the only other role that uses this and its also specified there so it'd be consistent)

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mctsts: "killing"/"dying" = (mostly) unavoidable "attacking" = fairly avoidable

We usually always specify (this is not an attack) as knowing the formal WWR definitions of words goes beyond what we can expect of players

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mctsts:

(hod is the only other role that uses this and its also specified there so it'd be consistent)

definitely not

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mctsts: PB uses it for sure

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mctsts: so does Chef

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mctsts: but Chef does not specify

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venomousbirds: is chef poison unavoidable?

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mctsts: Yes

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mctsts: well