Horseman Discussion OS10C

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mctsts: Does anyone have any issues, comments, opinions or anything else on Horsemen after OS10C?

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venomousbirds: i see why now

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mctsts: (and its not the december date that matters - its just whenever s11 starts we will presumably release the next update)

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mctsts: (and I assume that will be december)

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e_thsn: Btw my vote is a not bothered either way while I do agree we might want to keep an eye on their new power level, like jay said it doesn't matter if they're limited or not since we can always re limit them

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mctsts: We generally do not do that

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mctsts: "we can re-limit it" is really not a great argument in favor of unlimiting it

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e_thsn: I thought we did with a role after changing it?

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e_thsn: Was it psycho

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mctsts: We decided against it

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e_thsn: Ah

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venomousbirds: thats why i said i rather have it stay limited

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venomousbirds: re-limiting sounds like a mistake

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mctsts: I agree, I just don't think re-limiting would be necessary

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mctsts: But the reason for unlimiting should be that the role has enough confidence in it to unlimit it

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venomousbirds: and i dont think hm currently has that

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venomousbirds: i understand why someone would think that but i think the role might be too strong

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e_thsn: The only issues I could see is rolelist sided ones

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e_thsn: Like having too many horsemen

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venomousbirds: <:thonk:688530547857031236>

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venomousbirds: thats got nothing to do with unlimiting

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venomousbirds: that's a rolelist issue

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e_thsn: Yeah so I can't see any role issues

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mctsts: Same

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mctsts: I don't think there is anything further to be gained by discussion currently as neither side can provide compelling arguments, its just a difference of opinions from what I can tell

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venomousbirds: allright

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mctsts: It would be cool to test the role again, but I'm not sure if this will be possible

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mctsts: Either way I will create a poll closer to the end of the season

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venomousbirds: g8 hm game then? as that'll be fine in time for the next version

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mctsts: That would be cool

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e_thsn: Actually Ts you said the dooms were equivalent but idt we factored in that before we kept using HoD which their dooms don't really push towards the goal of doomed players as much as the others right?

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e_thsn: Last game had no HoD

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e_thsn: Oh nvm it had no HoW

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e_thsn: I mixed up which horses we had

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mctsts: Both of the previous tests had 3 non HoD and 1 HoD doom

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mctsts: at 21 and 20 players

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e_thsn: I think yeah the only difference was that we had 1 extra guaranteed dooming N1 after that they were pretty much the same

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mctsts: <@&1045732542399131769> Unlimit Horseman as extensively discussed before.

✅ Yes ⛔ No 🤷 Abstain

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e_thsn: Make that consistency fix before you do though

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mctsts: which consistency fix?

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e_thsn: That they have to apply doomed to ua before turning

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shapechange: hyuh

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shapechange: they have to what

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mctsts: as in remove that?

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shapechange: why

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mctsts: cause it says all players

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shapechange: oh

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shapechange: so remove that

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shapechange: not add it

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mctsts: yea

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shapechange: okay