Horseman Discussion OS10C

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mctsts: Does anyone have any issues, comments, opinions or anything else on Horsemen after OS10C?

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venomousbirds: because there was a recent change

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venomousbirds: and sure, it mightve worked out this game but i think it cant hurt to just test it one more time

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mctsts: If we can run another test on it this season, sure

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venomousbirds: im up to host it

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mctsts: I've been able to host 3 games in the last two season and used 2 of those to test HM so I won't be hosting another HM game again

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venomousbirds: uh ok

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venomousbirds: thats fine

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shapechange: I don't think I'll include Horsemen in G8 simply because I have other plans.

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venomousbirds: now thats just actively blocking everything

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venomousbirds: that's rude

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venomousbirds: "im 100% up to host a hm game this season!" "we'll not host with you and we wont add hm to any onseason games to test it" uh okay

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phantomtomic: Does war have 2 dooms?

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phantomtomic: Or just fam

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phantomtomic: Yeah the past changes didn’t seem too major I think (?) it kind of balances it out since one doom is added but one horse is removed, sure a horse with 2 dooms could survive to the end but with less horses it’s somewhat harder to unite and one hm death is somewhat more impactful, especially if the 2-doom dies

It looks fine (?) but might need one more game of testing (?), I’m somewhat unsure on how endgame works with hm since horses take this long to doom everyone and unite, some die, only to reach apocalypse and having the need to survive some lynches (and the fact that if there’s only one hm they can’t kill if they doomed) but tbf they did kind of nearly win last game so idrk

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phantomtomic: Famine as 2 is pretty helpful though since it gives horses more cover like flute and have less of an investigative weakness

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mctsts:

"im 100% up to host a hm game this season!" "we'll not host with you and we wont add hm to any onseason games to test it" uh okay

I think my reasoning given for not wanting to host a hm game is very fair. I did as much testing as anyone could reasonably expect

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mctsts:

I don't think I'll include Horsemen in G8 simply because I have other plans.

No offense, but you've hosted 7 games this season, if Vera wants to host a game (with 2 hosts this season) they should definitely get the chance

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venomousbirds:

I think my reasoning given for not wanting to host a hm game is very fair. I did as much testing as anyone could reasonably expect

i guess yours is fine, but i wasnt aware jay was hosting g8

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mctsts: Neither was I, they've hosted 7 (not counting a restart) games this seasons which is already far more than usual

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mctsts: Doing a HM game for S10G8 seems fine

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mctsts:

Yeah the past changes didn’t seem too major I think (?) it kind of balances it out since one doom is added but one horse is removed, sure a horse with 2 dooms could survive to the end but with less horses it’s somewhat harder to unite and one hm death is somewhat more impactful, especially if the 2-doom dies

It looks fine (?) but might need one more game of testing (?), I’m somewhat unsure on how endgame works with hm since horses take this long to doom everyone and unite, some die, only to reach apocalypse and having the need to survive some lynches (and the fact that if there’s only one hm they can’t kill if they doomed) but tbf they did kind of nearly win last game so idrk

Good analysis. I'm happy to do another test, but I'm fairly confident in the role and find it unnecessary to wait another ~8 months until we can get it into the role book

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venomousbirds: the estimated time of unlimiting keeps going up

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venomousbirds: next message its a year

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mctsts: its half a year between releases

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venomousbirds: i can host g8 within november

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mctsts: its ~1-2 months until the next release

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venomousbirds: idk when you wanna release it again

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mctsts: so if it misses the release it needs to wait an extra 6 months

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mctsts: which is 8 months in total

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venomousbirds: but if i can do g8 it'll be done within this month, so in the next release

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venomousbirds: if the releases were what you were worried about you shouldve said so, as i wouldve offered to host a game sooner

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venomousbirds: but its fine

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mctsts: For reference here's the last three releases: 10/06/2022 15:37 09/12/2022 21:21 18/06/2023 23:58

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mctsts:

if the releases were what you were worried about you shouldve said so, as i wouldve offered to host a game sooner

I wanted to host a game myself to ensure the role is really fine even if I already believed so

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mctsts: I have now done that so I brought up the unlimiting

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venomousbirds: then why were you so against unlimiting it

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venomousbirds: if it was just the release

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mctsts: I don't understand what you mean

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venomousbirds: your main argument seemed to be waiting for a long time to test it

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mctsts: I want to get HM into the estimated December release. I believed that this game would be the final chance to test it. I'm now completely confident in it so I suggested to unlimit it

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mctsts:

your main argument seemed to be waiting for a long time to test it

I do not understand

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venomousbirds: so if theres still 2 months until the december release, why did you seem so confident that there wont be a test game with hm in those 2 months

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mctsts: There's an expected 2 games left with one potentially being Thief's Hell IV

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mctsts: We've just done a test HM game

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mctsts: we usually don't do almost back to back test games for the same role

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venomousbirds: 2 games until december?

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mctsts: there is also the current game

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mctsts: which will not have HM

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venomousbirds: hm i forgot about that

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mctsts: its three game total, with two spots being take by other games