Horseman Discussion OS10C

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mctsts: Does anyone have any issues, comments, opinions or anything else on Horsemen after OS10C?

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venomousbirds: what are you on about

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e_thsn: I think the other issue with HM is it's more luck based on how close to apocalypse they get due to them all having the chance to re doom a doomed player

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mctsts: there were almost exactly the same amount of dooms then in the previous game were we thought they were too weak

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mctsts: so it shows its pretty balanced

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mctsts:

I think the other issue with HM is it's more luck based on how close to apocalypse they get due to them all having the chance to re doom a doomed player

yep this is what makes further testing not much more valuable

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venomousbirds:

there were almost exactly the same amount of dooms then in the previous game were we thought they were too weak

and somehow hm survived double the phases with only 1.5 functional hm

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shapechange: I think Horsemen can be unlimited.

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venomousbirds: so im saying we shouldnt unlimit hm

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mctsts:

and somehow hm survived double the phases with only 1.5 functional hm

If you dont count HoD post N1, and don't count HoP N1 you still get 2

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shapechange: If we have real trouble with them post-unlimiting we can just limit them again.

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venomousbirds: which is what im trying to avoid

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mctsts: I can't think of any significant changes we did through our 6 tests

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venomousbirds: yes we did

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venomousbirds: we doubled the dooms

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venomousbirds: its got to double the survival time with less hm

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mctsts: we didn't - we used the same doom count as before

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venomousbirds: i give up

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mctsts: the team's total dooms remained the same in our tests

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venomousbirds: go unlimit this bs role

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venomousbirds: but let me have the satisfaction of 'told you so' if it doesnt work out 🥺

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shapechange: As far as I'm aware, all unlimiting effectively does is make it so we could hide them in a partial (or private) list. I don't think unlimiting them will do any harm.

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shapechange:

go unlimit this bs role

That is a little rude

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venomousbirds: idc

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venomousbirds: im annoyed that every time i try to give arguments against something that people like, my arguments are completely shut down

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venomousbirds: its frustrating because im of honest opinion that this role could be too strong

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venomousbirds: and rather than going the safe way and just leaving it unlimited for 1 more game, you guys rush to conclusions

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shapechange: Vera, I don't think your arguments are being rejected because people don't want to hear what you have to say. I think people just disagree with you.

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mctsts: I disagree with the claim that HM have double the dooms now, because they don't. What they do have is lower chance of doom duplication as one HM can replace two old HM

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venomousbirds: they do

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venomousbirds: they literally do

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venomousbirds: they went from dooming 1 person a night to dooming 2 people a night

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mctsts: we had 4 per 20 players this game as opposed to 4 per 21 players

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venomousbirds: thats double

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mctsts: yes but its with less HM

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shapechange: An individual horseman may have more dooms than before, but that's so that fewer are used in a list.

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mctsts: the HM team collectively has the same amount of dooms

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shapechange: And also, Death and Pesti still have one doom each.

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mctsts: The dooms are consolidated to make the role more strategic and less luck based

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venomousbirds: just unlimit it

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venomousbirds: its fine

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venomousbirds: i think testing it once more is way better but you guys desperately wanna put this in your partial lists

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venomousbirds: its okay

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mctsts: The change makes HM less luck based as less players will choose targets making repititon of dooms less likely

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mctsts:

i think testing it once more is way better but you guys desperately wanna put this in your partial lists

I would like to be able to get a role we have tested for 3 seasons into the next role book version rather than waiting another half a year

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mctsts: if that's desperate, then sure

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venomousbirds: id love to host a hm game to test it

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venomousbirds: theres nothing wrong with leaving a role to be limited for a long time

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mctsts: Limited roles are the ones that are actively in development

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mctsts: I have tested this one as much as I can and I have nothing left to change on it

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venomousbirds: and hm is