Move Mayor Election to D0?

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shapechange: I think this has been discussed before and discarded, but maybe we should reconsider moving the mayor election to D0 (or add another election on D0? Could prevent so much randoming during N1.

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venomousbirds: i asked people to at least summarize

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mctsts: cant summarize if I have no idea what the thread is about

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mctsts: I had to reread this entire thread

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venomousbirds: me neither

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e_thsn: We could always run a second special and make it the mystery game

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mctsts: its an issue that's been bothering me for a long time so I think it's worth attempting a resolution in v17

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venomousbirds: im not gonna reread threads, i have a life, thats why i asked people who came up with the ideas

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shapechange: i think the monarch role is a pretty good example of what we were looking for for the D0 role - maybe not perfect, but i think ingame evidence will help us refine it more than pure theorising will

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venomousbirds: i already categorized what i saw as doable for v17

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mctsts: cool great, now we can continue discussion

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mctsts: no need to start attacking people

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mctsts:

i think the monarch role is a pretty good example of what we were looking for for the D0 role - maybe not perfect, but i think ingame evidence will help us refine it more than pure theorising will

yeah, we can still do some theorizing though

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venomousbirds: im a bit annoyed that i tried to get v17 done, failed and now we're suddenly not in that rush anymore that i thought we were

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venomousbirds: and im confused why

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mctsts: We still are

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venomousbirds: then why are we discussing unfinished things last minute

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mctsts: because they are unfinished

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mctsts: glad we talked about it

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shapechange: i think maybe you two differ on how unfinished/unresolvable this role is

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venomousbirds: as i dont think just pulling something old out and finishing it last minute for a quick release is a good strategy

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venomousbirds: its old, people need to refreh on it

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mctsts: solving issues now rather than in 6 months seems like a good idea

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venomousbirds: and i think this role will need some fixing

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mctsts:

its old, people need to refreh on it

Which is why I summarized it

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venomousbirds: the heir part makes this almost more important/stronger than mayor

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venomousbirds: i think

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shapechange: also this thread isn't that old, it's from late october

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venomousbirds: not yhis one

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venomousbirds: the referred to monarch thread

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mctsts: this thread is an issue

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mctsts: the monarch thread is a suggestion

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venomousbirds: ???

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mctsts: I used parts of the suggestion to propose a solution for the issue

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venomousbirds: i also think the heir mechanic feels weird for an elected role

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venomousbirds: its elected, which means its chosen

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mctsts: It's a mechanical necessity

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venomousbirds: so adding the heir part defeats the elected part

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venomousbirds: which i think is confusing and quite bad/inconsistent

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venomousbirds: elected roles should probably not be obtainable besides election (excluding offseason)

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venomousbirds: the knighting ability is cool tho

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venomousbirds: i think adding on to that (the longer monarch stays alive, the more people it can knight) would be more interesting

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mctsts: There is several ways heir/knight merging could go:

• The monarch picks one heir who gains the extra vote and is the heir - this removes the part where you cant reselect one player, but constantly switching the heir thematically makes little sense • The monarch knights one player every day who gains the extra and is the heir - but why is the knighted player the heir?

I'm not sure if merging the powers actually thematically makes sense

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shapechange: instead of an heir becoming a monarch, they could just gain the knighted attribute permanently

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shapechange: so you choose a knight each day and then when you die, one person is just the last knight forever

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mctsts:

so adding the heir part defeats the elected part

however there being a heir is sort of key to make the election achieve its purpose

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mctsts: we dont want each N1 attack to be the monarch

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venomousbirds: i like that

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mctsts: and we dont want the monarch election to be the same exact situation as mayor where the protective roles are the only ones that go for it

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mctsts:

so you choose a knight each day and then when you die, one person is just the last knight forever

this seems quite a bit weaker and less interesting than using the heir mechanic

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venomousbirds: i think maybe having the monarch be less significant early game and more threatening late game might work better than having an unelected with an elected role