Move Mayor Election to D0?

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shapechange: I think this has been discussed before and discarded, but maybe we should reconsider moving the mayor election to D0 (or add another election on D0? Could prevent so much randoming during N1.

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mctsts: ah thats possible

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mctsts: changed it to unresolved

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venomousbirds: interesting concept but i dont think a conclusion will happen until later on, postponing this

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mctsts: <@&1045732542399131769>

Suggestions for a new Day 0 election. This may be an optional election?

Monarch During Day 0, a Monarch is elected. Each day, they may knight another player, which causes them to temporarily gain an extra vote and negate a vote against them. They may not select the same player several times. The knighted player is not aware that they have been knighted.(*) The Monarch may privately choose an heir, who will become the new Monarch should they die. If their is no living heir when the monarch dies, the monarch role is lost - there will not be a second monarch election. The heir is not publicly known, nor will it be announced when they become the new monarch(**)

* I think it is necessary to make knighting a secret power to allow scum to utilize this role well ** im undecided about this part, but I think not announcing the new monarch would incentivize not killing them as then you wouldnt know who the new monarch is

The goal of a D0 election is to at least have some public discussion on D0 to reduce randomizing. This role is not super powerful so arguably town doesn't gain too much from having it, but the key thing is that it can actually be a very useful role for wolves and that if the wolves get it they can keep it so it is both fairly important for town to get it D0, but also not very important to kill the Monarch in N1 (if this lead to the Monarch always being killed N1 it would be a fairly shitty change). With the heir mechanic there is also a good reason to have this election only once which I think is important to keep current gameplay as it is mostly.

I think a role like this which benefits wolves more than it does town is better than an alternative which is the opposite as its still setup in a way where town should try to get it to stop wolves from getting it, but wont have problems such as wolves targetting the new elected role

I dont expect this to completely solve the issue, but I think it will lead to at least some public discussion which is more than we have currently.

The role is based on #1093 <#1119957011937886318>

✅ yes ⛔ no 🤷 maybe

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venomousbirds: this sounds like too complicated a decision to just drop into v17

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mctsts: what?

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shapechange: I'm conflicted on the Heir part. I think that overcomplicates it a bit.

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e_thsn: would the votes be visable on the poll

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mctsts: sort of, you cant tell easily who has it

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mctsts:

I'm conflicted on the Heir part. I think that overcomplicates it a bit.

I dont think its a very complicated mechanic?

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venomousbirds: its undiscussed and we kinda wanna get v17 out asap

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mctsts: this has been discussed and we're discussing it now

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e_thsn: I'm thinking are they like stalker or like CW?

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mctsts: the role was suggested in june originally

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mctsts:

I'm thinking are they like stalker or like CW?

current suggestion is CW/Trickster/Grandma

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shapechange:

I dont think its a very complicated mechanic?

individually it's not, it's just having two mechanics which both involve making a choice on an elected role is a bit. unusual?

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e_thsn: ah

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mctsts: you can see it but you dont know who put the extra vote

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shapechange: the heir-ing is probably fine I'm just splurging thoughts

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mctsts:

individually it's not, it's just having two mechanics which both involve making a choice on an elected role is a bit. unusual?

The knighted player could also be the heir?

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e_thsn: I feel like you can check who it was tho with the -1 against them

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captainluffy: I think just a cool idea, might need some tweaks but otherwise fine

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shapechange:

The knighted player could also be the heir?

i mean it can but that's not really the point?

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mctsts: I thought the point was having two selections is weird

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mctsts: did I misunderstand?

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shapechange: sort of - less that being able to choose different people is weird and more that having two selections at all isn't precedented for an elected role, which doesn't have to be a bad thing - more just an observation

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mctsts: thats why I suggested its a single selection

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venomousbirds: i dont think we should randomly pull up old suggestions when we wanna get v17 out but other than that i think this role isnt great as an elected role and itll either get randomized, which doesnt help what we're trying to to prevent or people will think its too important to elect i dont think there'll be a middle ground and it honestly sounds more like a weird version of a town role than an elected role

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mctsts: so you dont knight and choose heir

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mctsts: you do a single choice

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shapechange: ah

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mctsts: the terminology could be merged

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mctsts: I think you'd select semi trusted players for both so merging them shouldn't be a problem

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shapechange: but then doesn't the heir become mechanically obvious?

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venomousbirds: who's getting trusted n1

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mctsts: well no, only if the knighted player is revealed through their vote

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venomousbirds: and do we elect this only on d0?

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shapechange: true

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shapechange:

and do we elect this only on d0?

yes, it's a singleton

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mctsts:

i dont think we should randomly pull up old suggestions when we wanna get v17 out but other than that i think this role isnt great as an elected role and itll either get randomized, which doesnt help what we're trying to to prevent or people will think its too important to elect i dont think there'll be a middle ground and it honestly sounds more like a weird version of a town role than an elected role

resolving open issues is exactly what we should be doing to get v17 out

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venomousbirds: well i guess we shouldve started earlier

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venomousbirds: or do we wanna continue the event for another week

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venomousbirds: i thought we were in a hurry to get v17 out

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shapechange: i mean, we don't have to finish the game and then immediately jump into v17 and a new game

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venomousbirds: if we make rushed decisions we might revert those and thats just unnecessary

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mctsts: yea we could've started the discussions early, I mentioned it several times

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mctsts: but I was busy with the other part of v17 unfortunately

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shapechange: and i have loads of stuff to proof before v17 anyway so

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venomousbirds: i tried to start discussions but as im not involved in these as much, i couldnt get far

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venomousbirds: and everyone who was involved was either busy or doing the rework stuff