Flatten Cupid

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mctsts: Simplify Cupid further: It always takes its lover alignment. If Cupid is demonized and turned Undead it still turns into an Undead Cupid etc, but that's still just an UAA role that takes the exact alignment of the lover, meaning lover will never change alignment. This would allow us to completely remove the concept of "current alignment"

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mctsts: <@&1045732542399131769> See first message. This should make very little functional difference as the amount of times we see a cupid change roles is limited to basically thief's hell, but the change would allow some rule book flattening/simplifications

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mctsts: I dont quite know why we didnt do this when changing cupid last time

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shapechange: ive been asking for this for like years

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mctsts: We already changed Cupid last version

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mctsts: to take its lover alignment

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mctsts: so rn if Cupid picks wolf, Cupid becomes wolf aligned

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mctsts: but if either lover then turns undead, they become a solo team like previously

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mctsts: which is a really complicated mechanic for literally nothing

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shapechange: the only thing this does as far as i can tell is make underworld a non-trust team

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shapechange: when cupid is ingame

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mctsts: well currently cupid+wolf and either turning undead would make them solo

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mctsts: so they'd already be betraying underworld

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mctsts: the change would either make them wolf (cupid turns) or underworld aligned (wolf turns)

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shapechange:

well currently cupid+wolf and either turning undead would make them solo

yeah but realistically in that situation cupid will try to get lover turned, so they end up entirely siding with underworld

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mctsts: could be impossible if no vamps are left

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mctsts: but yea

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shapechange: yea

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shapechange: you get my point

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mctsts: it might be slightly worse for vamps now

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captainluffy: So the cupid variants stay as uaa roles?

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mctsts: but like when's that going to occur

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mctsts: maybe in like OS25C

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captainluffy: It's slightly better for vamps because they only need to convert the lover and not the cupid

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mctsts: also an argument

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shapechange:

maybe in like OS25C

im holding you to this

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mctsts: <:pensivebread:800001047966908426>

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captainluffy: Or well, they always needed to do that

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captainluffy: Or well, the cupid won't be partially on their side, it'd be fully against them

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captainluffy: So yeah slightly worse

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mctsts: https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/pull/1213

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e_thsn: <@242983689921888256> what does current alignment even effect? Is that PH/Oracle shit?

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mctsts: yea

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mctsts: Actually this raises the question if Oracle sees Cupid and Lover as the same alignment

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mctsts: <@458727748504911884> what do you think?

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shapechange: yes

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shapechange: if cupid is explicitly the same alignment as their lover, then they show as the same alignment to oracle imo

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mctsts: but are they

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shapechange: in your proposed revision you explicitly stated they were

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mctsts: or is their UA win condition just "win with this guy no matter what and if either of you die you both die"

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shapechange:

or is their UA win condition just "win with this guy no matter what and if either of you die you both die"

i think they share an alignment imo

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mctsts: dang but then Cupid still has a different alignment from their starting one

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mctsts: though I think for UAs this is acceptable

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shapechange: is there any epistemological difference between "players with the same win condition" and "players with the same alignment"?

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mctsts: yea

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mctsts: if Cupid has the same win condition then thats just their UA win condition

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mctsts: which can be anything

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mctsts: if they have the same alignment then they cant be UA anymore

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mctsts: as the lover is (usually) not UA

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mctsts: thus the Cupid is no longer unaligned

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shapechange: i think it makes more sense for the cupid to no longer be unaligned