Flatten Cupid

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mctsts: Simplify Cupid further: It always takes its lover alignment. If Cupid is demonized and turned Undead it still turns into an Undead Cupid etc, but that's still just an UAA role that takes the exact alignment of the lover, meaning lover will never change alignment. This would allow us to completely remove the concept of "current alignment"

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mctsts: yea

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shapechange: because even if there's an epistemological difference, we should try to limit metaphysical differences

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captainluffy: Well oracle checks role alignment

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captainluffy: But cupid has to be Unaligned still, because if it wasn't then its alignment wouldn't be synchronized with lover

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e_thsn: I mean if we really wanted to flatten cupid then when a cupid or their lover changes alignment they both do

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shapechange:

But cupid has to be Unaligned still, because if it wasn't then its alignment wouldn't be synchronized with lover

this seems to be a complete contradiction to me, but i think it depends on how you are defining synchronise

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e_thsn: But that also seams strong 2 for 1 conversion

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mctsts:

But that also seams strong 2 for 1 conversion

this is what we did here

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captainluffy: As in the win_condition updates alongside the lover

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mctsts: convert lover, get both

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mctsts: convert cupid, get neither

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e_thsn: Oh

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e_thsn: That's fair

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mctsts: this makes sense with what we're currently formalizing

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shapechange: luffy

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mctsts: lover as an EM role cant affect alignment

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shapechange: here is what you are going to do

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mctsts: so the alignmenting changes is 100% on the cupid side

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shapechange: you are going to navigate to your web browser of choice

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shapechange: you are going to click on the search bar

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shapechange: and you are going to look up the following phrase

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shapechange: "classes on how to communicate effectively"

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shapechange: you're going to scroll down to the first option that's not an ad

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shapechange: you're going to click on it

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mctsts: "how can cupid change alignment if its not unaligned"

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shapechange: and you're going to take those classes

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shapechange: and then we can continue this conversation

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mctsts: the answer is: it can because alignment changing is its role ability

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mctsts: its ability to change alignment can persist even if it is no longer Unaligned

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mctsts: Does that answer the question luffy?

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e_thsn: Ok so if a demonised cupid was attacked and their lover was demonised too would they both convert?

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mctsts:

Ok so if a demonised cupid was attacked and their lover was demonised too would they both convert?

no

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e_thsn: Oh I thought demonised worked against kills as well as attacks

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captainluffy: Ok so I'm saying, if cupid is not Unaligned, lets say its town. it can't continuously update its alignment with lover in a simple to define way

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mctsts:

Oh I thought demonised worked against kills as well as attacks

yea so demonized cupid becomes undead cupid

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mctsts:

Ok so I'm saying, if cupid is not Unaligned, lets say its town. it can't continuously update its alignment with lover in a simple to define way

thats what I just answered

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mctsts:

its ability to change alignment can persist even if it is no longer Unaligned

this

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mctsts: its a role ability

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mctsts: not an alignment ability

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captainluffy: That'd be role changing itself

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captainluffy: Into itself

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mctsts: it does something similiar to hags

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e_thsn:

yea so demonized cupid becomes undead cupid

Ohhh I misunderstood I thought we were making it immune to role changes to get rid of all the extra cupid roles

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mctsts: it updates its own alignment

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mctsts: if thats not an ability type, we'll need it

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captainluffy: Yeah but hags are technically Unaligned while doing so

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mctsts:

Ohhh I misunderstood I thought we were making it immune to role changes to get rid of all the extra cupid roles

undead cupid in the PR is now just cupid with a different icon, name and membership of underworld

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mctsts: and no other changes

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mctsts:

Yeah but hags are technically Unaligned while doing so

Well the Hags message does state they have the same "alignment"

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mctsts: I believe Hags also gain an alignment once they get wronged for the first time