Flatten Cupid

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mctsts: Simplify Cupid further: It always takes its lover alignment. If Cupid is demonized and turned Undead it still turns into an Undead Cupid etc, but that's still just an UAA role that takes the exact alignment of the lover, meaning lover will never change alignment. This would allow us to completely remove the concept of "current alignment"

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captainluffy: Ur right. Is hags alignment or win condition changing

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captainluffy: I guess it's alignment

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mctsts: they join an alignment on first wronging

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mctsts: which also explains their death winning

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captainluffy: But to oracle, would it have the same alignment as let's say, chef

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mctsts: So I think its just an characteristic of UA roles that they update their own alignment

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mctsts: which is reasonable

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mctsts:

But to oracle, would it have the same alignment as let's say, chef

no - Hags have an alignment, Chef is unaligned

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e_thsn: I thought we said unaligned having an alignment was bad tho

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mctsts: before first wronging - No, as defined by Oracle

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captainluffy: Honestly it'd probably be easier in many ways if it just changed win con and not alignment

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shapechange: but that once again gives us metaphysical issues

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mctsts: I can't wait for us to spend an entire month having these hilarious conversations

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mctsts: If we do win con, then Hags dont work

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mctsts: they wouldn't be on the same alignment

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captainluffy: I mean it wouldn't even change wincon if it's wincon is "survive to see a team win that has yet to wrong hags"

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mctsts: yea but they death win

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shapechange:

I thought we said unaligned having an alignment was bad tho

easy: once unaligned gain an alignment, they are no longer unaligned 🙂

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mctsts: which you can only do with an alignment

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captainluffy: Ok so let me revise

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captainluffy: "have a hag survive to see a team win that has yet to wrong hags. Also hags need to be wronged at least once "

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mctsts: but the dead hags cant reach that win con

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mctsts: cause they're dead

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mctsts: and dead ua's win cons arent evaluated

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mctsts: tho ig that can be changed

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captainluffy:

and dead ua's win cons arent evaluated

Well technically that isn't formally defined yet

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mctsts: yea <:pffffft:705639986384601110>

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mctsts: wait

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shapechange: i don't see how having alignment change is any more complex than this proposed other solution tbqh

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mctsts: but then Hags dont see hags as hag aligned

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shapechange: it seems like it just keeps on throwing up other problems

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mctsts: Yeah I think we're better off just saying that UAA roles are allowed to update their own alignment to join existing or new alignments

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captainluffy: Is alignment better than win condition

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shapechange: yes

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mctsts: If we use alignment it immediately just gets used by everything else that uses alignments

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captainluffy: If we had it so that uaa roles had an alignment and the rest didnt

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captainluffy: That'd make it easier

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mctsts: nothing relies on win conditions

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mctsts: split UAA roles 🙂

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mctsts: UAA -> Change role Uidk -> Gain an alignment

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mctsts: But I think its fine as is

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mctsts: All UAA roles gain an alignment - either via role change or alignment change

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shapechange: do hags only gain an alignment after the first wronging?

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mctsts: I think so(?)

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mctsts: Who knows at this point

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shapechange: what happens if PH checks another hag before any wronging

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mctsts: I dont even know anymore what a role is

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mctsts:

what happens if PH checks another hag before any wronging

I suppose they see "Unaligned"

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shapechange: thats stupid

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captainluffy: Does plague doctor have an alignment or a win condition