reaper discussion s10g7

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captainluffy: Yeah, you know what I mean though

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shapechange: honestly i still dislike reaper a lot and think it's too complex even as is

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captainluffy: My suggestion was disguise, as I thought it would make the most sense for a P power

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captainluffy: But it's probably not as weak as you'd like

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shapechange: i think it's a very piecemeal role

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shapechange: it's too strong to be had as many times per game as it probably would and honestly just adds to the piecemealness of the role

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shapechange:

My suggestion was disguise, as I thought it would make the most sense for a P power

P roles are too varied to say that any one power is most appropriate imo

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captainluffy: The old version of P was that it get's an additional usage of its power

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captainluffy: 1 extra sleepless

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captainluffy: But that's kind of strong

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shapechange: yeah

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captainluffy: Maybe it could just roleblock?

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shapechange: WAYYYYYY too strong

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shapechange: the most common p power is vote/poll manip stuff

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shapechange: but again vote manip just feels so random

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captainluffy: Sets their vote to 0

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captainluffy: That's more of a hinderance to reaper if anything

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captainluffy: People figure out they're sleepless

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captainluffy: Assuming that it lasts for 1 day I mean

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captainluffy: Would roleblock actually be too strong? I don't think it's that strong since it already roleblocks people who visit him anyways, it would just stop them from visiting in the first place

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mctsts: (5) Vote Manip: Grandma, Stalker, Corrupt Wolf, Saboteur Wolf, HoW (4) Protect: Hooker, Gallant Fox, Cerberus, Cautious Hag (4) Disguise: Disguied Fox, Pack Tanner, Tanner, HoF (3) Inflict: Flute Player, Horsemen, Cerberus (2) Grant: Fletcher, Ravenkeeper (1) Cure: Exorcist (1) Target: Herald (1) Poll Manip: Royal Knight (1) Roleblock: HoP Invalid: Innkeeper, Infecting Wolf

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captainluffy: Protection would be weird if it's on the target

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shapechange: <@&1045732542399131769>

Proposed changes to Nightmare team.

1️⃣ Give Wraith the ability to turn a player sleepless each night. 2️⃣ Remove Reaper's R/A extra power (turn someone into a Spirit). 3️⃣ Option two, but give Reaper some other ability in recompense. None of the above.

You can vote for multiple options. If you vote for 3️⃣, suggestions would be appreciated.

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captainluffy: ig also delete spirit

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shapechange: that's implied

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shapechange: ftr im not opposed to 3️⃣ but since im okay with 2️⃣ i won't vote for it until/unless we have a good suggested power

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mctsts: PR for 1️⃣ https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/pull/1250

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captainluffy: "Using a power on the Wraith will result in a counter-attack." in the simplified section is incorrect

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captainluffy: using a power while sleepless

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mctsts: yea

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captainluffy: Is reaper wraith counter attack/roleblock considered reactive

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shapechange: uh... interesting question 🤔

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shapechange: i think probably passive?

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captainluffy: Cuz it has a target

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shapechange: well, most actions do have targets

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captainluffy: But passives don't usually

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captainluffy: I think

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shapechange: no they absolutely can

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shapechange: in fact i imagine most have targets

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shapechange: but anyway the only thing that could count as "ability through which target is selected" here would be sleeplessness-ing, which doesn't fit the brief

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captainluffy: Yeah I guess we can say it's passive

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mctsts: its passive

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e_thsn: <@242983689921888256> question Is the reaper's main power making people sleepless or using the ability

E.g is it investigation with being made sleepless as a side effect or being made sleepless with reaper investigating your role as a side effect

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mctsts:

some powers have an additional effect, applied to the same target.

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mctsts: primary power seems to be sleepless-ing

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e_thsn: So does it work like how tanner will work where the kill/investigation/conversion are just passive and therefore it should be P not K?

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mctsts: no

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mctsts: we have not settled on a decision for tanner yet

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e_thsn: Ah

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e_thsn: Well my ideas for removing recruitment and adding a Power is Disguise a player as reaper (tanner/PT/HoF) Roleblock a player (HoP) Make that player's vote 0 for a phase (Grandma, HoW, CW, Stalker (all vote manipulation))