tp role: Cleric

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captainluffy: Once per game during the night, the cleric may protect one player.

Thought it might be good to have another non conformable tp role

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e_thsn: reaper had one

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venomousbirds: lemme correct my point

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e_thsn: but it was removed as a role

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e_thsn: is that what you were thinking of

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mctsts: If we only have 2 deaths that are warned the power is pretty bad, yes

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captainluffy: Does lynch count as a separate kill type

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mctsts: no

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mctsts: but its at day

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mctsts: so its irrelevant

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mctsts: Anyway, if we dont add the power we still have clash with Guardian

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mctsts: We can keep it in, but it's a shame

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e_thsn: I think if you get recontaminated after surviving you could instantly die from plague maybe, since your immune system is already weak from being infected before 🤷

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mctsts: Imo it needs to be an improvement on Guardian in some way for it to have a Guardian interaction

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captainluffy: Can we say monarch doesn't count against the restriction

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mctsts: Otherwise Guardian would never have a reason to resign

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e_thsn:

Imo it needs to be an improvement on Guardian in some way for it to have a Guardian interaction

attack protection the next day too?

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mctsts:

I think if you get recontaminated after surviving you could instantly die from plague maybe, since your immune system is already weak from being infected before 🤷

im pretty sure you stay contaminated but dont die

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mctsts:

attack protection the next day too?

Are there scum day killers besides devil?

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e_thsn:

im pretty sure you stay contaminated but dont die

yeah I mean if visited by a contaminated person after failing to die

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captainluffy: I assume we wouldn't make it to guardian in the situation of this being used

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captainluffy:

Are there scum day killers besides devil?

Wisp

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mctsts:

yeah I mean if visited by a contaminated person after failing to die

Overcomplicated imo

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venomousbirds: like ethan said, it think its too min-max. its either extremely bad or extremely good. added to the point where it can make a strong role plague immune, like your example of idiot this game, its strong point is too strong. besides that, we wanna make it claimspace. for claim space we need it to be as uncomfirmable as possible. having it protect against plague etc adds confirmability. and knowing the wwr playerbase, any claimspace can become confirmable, causing it to be harder to put into role lists

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e_thsn: yeah wisp and devil

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mctsts: Well death protection doesnt make it stronger in most cases because there's barely any deaths

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mctsts: The main issue is that all deaths are warned

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venomousbirds: correct

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venomousbirds: and thats a good thing, because its a permanent death

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mctsts: Anyway, do we have other ideas for the guardian clash then

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venomousbirds: and because cleric is kinda aimed to be a late game role, the fact that it announces make it too easy to protect dying players

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mctsts: And thanks for writing it out nicely

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venomousbirds: no problem

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mctsts: I still think the guardian clash is a relevant point and shouldnt be dismissed

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captainluffy: Tbh I thought cleric would be an early game use. Resigning mayor and mayor protection can be better than mayor just dying

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mctsts: If cleric does the exact same as guardian, then guardian resigning / not getting elected / etc will be impossible

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venomousbirds: so it should be more powerful than guardian, but not in its protection power sense

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mctsts: Seems changing its protection power level is pointless/bad

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venomousbirds: maybe have the next election afterwards always be guardian

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e_thsn: what if it gave something to it's target like a +1 vote or something?

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e_thsn: +1 vote is probably the worst

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venomousbirds: ohh like monarch

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captainluffy:

what if it gave something to it's target like a +1 vote or something?

Then uts confirmable

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e_thsn: unless it's a hidden +1 vote

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captainluffy: That's true

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mctsts: still confirmable

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venomousbirds: yup

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mctsts: unless its an angel like hidden vote

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venomousbirds: maybe have it be a deciding vote?

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captainluffy: What if it also protects against day kills the following day

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mctsts: (and honestly a +1 vote is far more easily confirmable than the death thing)