New UA suggestion - Gambler

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e_thsn: Each night the gambler must guess who they think will die that night, upon guessing everyone correctly the gambler will receive an investigation the following day. The gambler ascends and wins upon three successful guesses.

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e_thsn: <@&1045732542399131769> <@&1128435183113220106>

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mctsts: why

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captainluffy: why would it want an investigation

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im_dumm0: Too hard

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thekremblin: i actually argue it would be too easy

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thekremblin: it's a very wolf-sided role

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captainluffy: yeah if u just choose mayor

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thekremblin: they just need to contact wolves, choose mayor and they have the win in the bag lol

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im_dumm0: But similar to psychic wolf

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e_thsn: I was thinking about a UA that can win of its own volition and guessing deaths was an option that works

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e_thsn:

they just need to contact wolves, choose mayor and they have the win in the bag lol

Well they need to guess 3 times

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thekremblin: not consecutively though

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im_dumm0: Ges where ppl just kill of mayor non stop

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e_thsn:

why would it want an investigation

Find good targets, finding pack

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e_thsn: Also just guessing mayor doesn't work if town kills someone

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e_thsn: They gotta guess everyone that night

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im_dumm0:

Find good targets, finding pack

Find a target on your back

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venomousbirds: this sounds so boring tbh

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thekremblin:

I was thinking about a UA that can win of its own volition and guessing deaths was an option that works

it doesn't win of its own voliton though...it NEEDS info from other teams

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thekremblin: it's impossible to guess if you're not in trusted

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thekremblin: guessing a wolf target? possible. guessing a town or solo target? near impossible

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shapechange: dont like this

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thekremblin: oh hey sarvak

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sarvak2: I feel like it's too easy to side and weigh the win in favour of the gambler. The fun of UA is that they could feasibly work with either side or no one and no side really wants them gone. This role just really incentives the UA to side with wolves, guaranteeing a correct guess in any game without a killing solo team.

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pokemoncross:

Each night the gambler must guess who they think will die that night, upon guessing everyone correctly the gambler will receive an investigation the following day. The gambler ascends and wins upon three successful guesses.

Unaligned Investigative (?)

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pokemoncross: sounds like

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katyhawk: I can see this role being either too easy or too hard to play. Theoretically it could win without ever talking or contacting anyone. It could also eat shit and be completely left out of the loop.

The role most similar I can think of is psychopath and that one has a lot of interaction with all killing roles

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venomousbirds: its just another ua that needs to be close to tt to win

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venomousbirds: its det's problem too

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pokemoncross: town trusted

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e_thsn: Eh it's just something I thought might work, but I guess I didn't think it would side and would use reads more

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venomousbirds: if tt is established, most kills wont be announced and will be silent

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venomousbirds: if its not in tt, it's practically fucked

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steinator: Imma be honest I wanted to make that post like 2 weeks ago but drcided against it cause itll be very easy

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venomousbirds: its either extremely easy or extremely difficult

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pokemoncross: what's TT <@277156693765390337> ?

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steinator: town trusted

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pokemoncross: ahh

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e_thsn:

its either extremely easy or extremely difficult

Designing UA in a nutshell

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sarvak2: I think it could be fine if instead you guessed "x person will die by X day" and if you get more than 50% of your guesses right by the end of the game, you win. Maybe also have it so guessing the exact day or night gives you more points towards winning or something.

Incentives them to side with town for lynches, wolves for kills, and it can be independent if it makes safe bets, but if it dies too early it doesn't have enough guesses.

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e_thsn: Have we ever designed any UA within the past few years that have escaped limited

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e_thsn: I can only think of cat which is just dog but automatically opposite of dog

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steinator: are hags still limited?

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e_thsn: I think so

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captainluffy: they are the most limited of the limited

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steinator: good

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e_thsn: ;unaligned master

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sarvak2: UA is such a tricky category though

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sarvak2: Like to design

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pokemoncross: say... riding hood...