New UA suggestion - Gambler

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e_thsn: Each night the gambler must guess who they think will die that night, upon guessing everyone correctly the gambler will receive an investigation the following day. The gambler ascends and wins upon three successful guesses.

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venomousbirds: its a good thing to base it on tho

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venomousbirds: its a formula that works

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venomousbirds: need to die/ascend through x and then cancel x

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pokemoncross: kill James

James: Riding Hood dea

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sarvak2:

Citizen is far less interesting

Has there been any discussion on how to make cit more engaging for the player? Like obviously it's a necessary evil to have powerless filler so town can't defend itself fully, but it's been acknowledged a lot that it's incredibly dull

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sarvak2: The game just happens around you

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mctsts: Yes the way to do it is to reduce confirmable roles

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mctsts: We've been working on this for probably over a year

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pokemoncross: trying to buff a lil for borderland citizens

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thekremblin: we always say that IN THEORY cit should be claiming weird things and trying to bait wolves but in practice 20% of the time that does happen and 80% of the time cits just go inactive

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venomousbirds: we used to put journalist into lists instead of cit and it did work until the new journo meta was created

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mctsts: Citizen is only boring if a) there is a very fast solid TT b) you choose to make it boring

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mctsts: Most citizen players choose b)

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venomousbirds:

we always say that IN THEORY cit should be claiming weird things and trying to bait wolves but in practice 20% of the time that does happen and 80% of the time cits just go inactive

and the worst part is that they dont

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venomousbirds: like in the recent VIP game i wouldve been useless bait

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venomousbirds: there was a hooker and an idiot

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mctsts: But for the ones that have a boring game due to a) we can improve it with less confirmable roles

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e_thsn: We've had games where cits have lead town, because they just read townie

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venomousbirds: cit is wayy more fun if youre active

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pokemoncross: look at these Borderland Citizens !!

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sarvak2:

we always say that IN THEORY cit should be claiming weird things and trying to bait wolves but in practice 20% of the time that does happen and 80% of the time cits just go inactive

I always feel weird claiming things as citizen. Cause if wolves don't take the bait, you waste towns time

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pokemoncross: oooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh

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pokemoncross: idk if this looks like <:token:1162000508693774377>

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pokemoncross: if so

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sarvak2: You gotta claim in public, or to players you think are wolves and at that point they're probably on the lynch radar

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pokemoncross: @Clairvoyant Fox

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mctsts: I do not understand a single one of your contributions to this conversation

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sarvak2: And if you claim in public, it's gotta be a confirmable role to be worth shouting out

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pokemoncross: Citizens public claim ?

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sarvak2: So if you can't confirm, you waste a lynch for town and their time

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e_thsn:

I always feel weird claiming things as citizen. Cause if wolves don't take the bait, you waste towns time

Claim cit to TT and say you're gonna claim FT in public and accuse someone random then claim something like FT in public

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mctsts: There might not be TT early one

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pokemoncross:

I do not understand a single one of your contributions to this conversation

(me... ?)

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mctsts: But you can probably explain the strategy you were going for later

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mctsts: Or you can document it in a journal cc

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sarvak2:

Claim cit to TT and say you're gonna claim FT in public and accuse someone random then claim something like FT in public

What if there's not a TT early, or they don't believe you and think you're wolf trying to intercept TT?

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mctsts: If you have a solid explanation behind what you did you're likely to be more believable than a wolf citizen claim that did absolutely nothing

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sarvak2: Like the few times I've been citizen I've basically sat on my ass because I've found it incredibly difficult to actually have an impact

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sarvak2: I mean, in fairness, I also don't ever use enough CCs so maybe it's a me problem

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mctsts: last time I was citizen the game got reset N1 because town had won

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venomousbirds: lmao???

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venomousbirds: ive been cit in tt multiple times, however mostly because scum didnt counterclaim it much and i was confirmed early on

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venomousbirds: one game, scum didnt claim cit at all <:pffffft:705639986384601110>

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mctsts: ive been unconfirmed in tt several times just be seeming towny enough

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im_dumm0: i remember the thief game where i was imortal till fed stole my role then i stole matos who was wolfpack and exposed all of them

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venomousbirds:

ive been unconfirmed in tt several times just be seeming towny enough

ive had that too tbh

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mctsts: so there's tons of things you can do with no powers and without being confirmed

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venomousbirds: always happy when people go for reads instead of confirmation

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venomousbirds: id be too anxious to do that

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mctsts: its a winning strategy