New UA suggestion - Gambler

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e_thsn: Each night the gambler must guess who they think will die that night, upon guessing everyone correctly the gambler will receive an investigation the following day. The gambler ascends and wins upon three successful guesses.

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venomousbirds: i stick with getting into tt as scum

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venomousbirds: but yeah

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venomousbirds: tt needs to depend more on reads sometimes

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venomousbirds: otherwise it falls apart like that one game

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mctsts: anyway most people that complain about getting the weak roles have not tried playing as a weak role

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venomousbirds: where tt was so untrusting it was completely divided and caused a wolf win

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mctsts: weak town roles are my favorite as you can play the most

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mctsts: people just ... dont

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pokemoncross: like ranger ?

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mctsts: yes

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sarvak2:

always happy when people go for reads instead of confirmation

I just feel like there's no point sometimes, and it's just so risky for so little reward and it's fucking scary ngl

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venomousbirds: im also anxious but sometimes people read so town its obvious and you cant ignore it

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mctsts: as a weak town role you are in the best position to engage in public strategies and discussion and you don't need to worry about getting killed

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venomousbirds: yeah!

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venomousbirds: its great to get public activity going

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venomousbirds: it'll get people to think more openly and you can get more reads

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mctsts: and best case wolves see you contributing in town square and kill you for being useful

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mctsts: which wastes a kill on a non-power role

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mctsts: anyway instant D1 TT does make it harder (but not at all impossible) so that's what we should avoid having

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mctsts: back to the role, is there anything this would do for the teams? <@544125116640919557>

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e_thsn:

back to the role, is there anything this would do for the teams? <@544125116640919557>

I think making deals in exchange for information, either in voting power or providing information, maybe even acting like a spy

Especially the latter, it's definitely a role that lends to being neutral beneficial since you need to correctly guess all kills

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e_thsn: Being a double or even triple agent would work

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e_thsn: Plus I think it impacts chaos, feeding false info so town/wolves kill who you want

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mctsts: solid reply

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mctsts: i dont think it will work

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mctsts: weve seen that the deals usually only ever lead to a free late game win

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mctsts: which immediately ruins the point of reaching a win of its own merit

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e_thsn:

weve seen that the deals usually only ever lead to a free late game win

Pity wins is really the crux of making good UA

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e_thsn: It's a hard thing to make a UA that doesn't get a pity win, the only one I can think of is chef since you kinda have to actively protect your own waiter

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e_thsn: To win with chef

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venomousbirds:

It's a hard thing to make a UA that doesn't get a pity win, the only one I can think of is chef since you kinda have to actively protect your own waiter

despot and angel have recently gotten wins all on their own

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e_thsn: Yeah but what I mean is a UA that it's next to impossible to pity win with, angel and despot have had tonnes of free wins at the end of a game in the past

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venomousbirds: definitely, but theyve also won on their own before

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venomousbirds: not all ua have

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mctsts: yeah but this's role independent winning strategy is guessing well

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wwhythough: Lets go gambling

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venomousbirds: ah dangit

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shapechange: ah dangit

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kalimoor:

despot and angel have recently gotten wins all on their own

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mctsts: <@&1045732542399131769> yes/no?

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captainluffy: i vote no (i cannot react)

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mctsts: I vote no

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mctsts: But I didn't mean to make a poll here