Baroness

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Rough Role Idea could we make it an active ability that if it can target one of the investigative roles and it can see their action that night if one exists

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Snivy-Ace13: Imagine a shepherd investigate ooh so satisfying

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Ethan.: Power fits solo better than invest

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Ethan.: We already have flute charmer

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Ethan.: And devil

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Ethan.: For solos that have investigation power

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Snivy-Ace13: 😔

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Snivy-Ace13: Cmon

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Snivy-Ace13: Ethan doesn’t the sight of shepherd investigate excite you sooooo much

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Ethan.: Not really

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Ethan.: Flock is about protection

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Ethan.: Flute is about investigation

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Ethan.:

Baroness | Werewolf Investigative Basics During the night the Baroness can learn the results of a selected Town Investigative. Details During the day the Baroness can choose any role within the townsfolk investigative catagory. The following night they will learn the players or roles targeted by any player with the selected role as well as any results that player received. The Baroness is not a lycan, nor are they a member of the wolfpack.

A new Packless Lycanless Werewolf Investigative that can target a TI role during the day and at night learns any information that TI role learns (if the chosen role isn't in the game, is dead or doesn't act the Baroness gets no feedback)

I'll do the poll tomorrow when people are awake to vote

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Ethan.: <@839150186613702749> since you're doing suggestions atm what do you think to this

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Ts: I think this role is quite good: • it fits one of the niches with the least roles (completely packless wolf) • it properly functions in that niche (in the past we have found that these types of roles need a way to find the other wolves. Here this is achieved by seeing the TI checks for when they find wolves) • it's multi functional (find wolves, confirm TIs as alive, figure out when wolves get exposed, get roles of townies) • it's behaivor varies each game (as it depends on TI) • it can affect the behaivor of other roles (tis may be scared to check tks) • its unique

The only downside is that the role doesn't work correctly if there's just one TI and even with two TIs there's likely always a better choice, so most likely it would always target the same TI

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Ethan.: <@&1045732542399131769> A new Packless Lycanless Werewolf Investigative that can target an info gathering role during the day and at night learns any information that role learns (including the target) if the chosen role isn't in the game, is dead or doesn't act the Baroness gets no feedback

✅ Approve ⛔ Deny 🤷 Abstain (Ts can you add reactions so I can vote pls)

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Ts:

I think this role is quite good: • it fits one of the niches with the least roles (completely packless wolf) • it properly functions in that niche (in the past we have found that these types of roles need a way to find the other wolves. Here this is achieved by seeing the TI checks for when they find wolves) • it's multi functional (find wolves, confirm TIs as alive, figure out when wolves get exposed, get roles of townies) • it's behaivor varies each game (as it depends on TI) • it can affect the behaivor of other roles (tis may be scared to check tks) • its unique

The only downside is that the role doesn't work correctly if there's just one TI and even with two TIs there's likely always a better choice, so most likely it would always target the same TI

My opinion on this role, any way we can address the last point? (or is it not a problem at all?)

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Ethan.: We could just make it unable to target the same TI two nights in a row

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Ts: Maybe that + give it the ability to target any investigative actions, so there's more options?

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Ts: Because otherwise its limited to only working with a minimum of 2 TIs

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Ts:

Maybe that + give it the ability to target any investigative actions, so there's more options?

This would add all WIs to it + Devil's Wager

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Ethan.: So including FC

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Ts: Flute Charmer?

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Ethan.: Yeah

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Ts: does that investigate? idk what FPC does

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Ethan.: Invests and tans

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Ts: yea that too then

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!Phantomtomic: Oh that makes it better

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Ts: Makes the role a bit more complicated because it's not clearly defined what an "investigative" actions would be, but there's not many that aren't WI or TI

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!Phantomtomic: Do we need to make a list though? Otherwise people may get confused and miss a few roles

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Ts: yea

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Ts: we'd likely need a list

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Ethan.: We should also change it to until the next end day for things like CF

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Ts: yea makes sense

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Ethan.: We could do medium too

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Ts: sure

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Ts: It should cover as many roles as possible to properly function

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Ethan.: TI/WI - Learns the target and the check (e.g Targets FT learns Ts is Plague Bearer) Medium - Learns the Question asked and the result for that question Tanner - Learns targets and if one was a Wolfpack member Devil - if wager is used to investigate learns the result and target of that as well as the true identity of the wager recipient Reaper - if they use a check they learn the result of that Flute Charmer - Learns the role of the charmed player Recluse - learns the effects that target recluse and the identity of any wolfpack member that targets the recluse that night Herald - Learns if the last role that is the Herald's target dies and what role was targeted Prophetic Hag - Learns the target and their alignment

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Ethan.:

TI/WI - Learns the target and the check (e.g Targets FT learns Ts is Plague Bearer) Medium - Learns the Question asked and the result for that question Tanner - Learns targets and if one was a Wolfpack member Devil - if wager is used to investigate learns the result and target of that as well as the true identity of the wager recipient Reaper - if they use a check they learn the result of that Flute Charmer - Learns the role of the charmed player Recluse - learns the effects that target recluse and the identity of any wolfpack member that targets the recluse that night Herald - Learns if the last role that is the Herald's target dies and what role was targeted Assistant - Learns if the assistant was targeted and who it was redirected to (?)

<@242983689921888256> can you think of any more

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Ts: I dont think Assistant fits

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Ts: (and is unlikely to be ever useful)

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Ethan.: yeah that's why I added (?)

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Ethan.: 21 roles

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Alphaviki: Hmm. Just to confirm with devil, Baroness would not gain the identity of the person, only their role? (Still feels a little strong with devil since you gain 3 important informations, instead of 2 if you target ti. I may be a little protective of hell team, but I feel like that would make people not take the wager for investigation at all if it is known that baroness is in the game, to not risk wolves getting so much info. But on the other hand it makes it so that people might not publicly claim wager.)

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Ts: might be better for the baroness to either only see the wager invest result, or they have to pick between Devil (see identity of investigator) and Recipient (see identity of investigated)

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!Phantomtomic: Having all these options kinda makes it complicated though

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Ethan.: I think the second works better

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!Phantomtomic: Especially if you need to list it out

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Ethan.: This list can easily be summarised and the information on the types of info is only needed by GMs really

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Vera but actually a frog: this sounds strong

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Vera but actually a frog: like, way too strong