Baroness

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Rough Role Idea could we make it an active ability that if it can target one of the investigative roles and it can see their action that night if one exists

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This list can easily be summarised and the information on the types of info is only needed by GMs really

But the players need the types of info to know at least what roles they can use for their action

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!Phantomtomic: And what options for each role

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Ethan.:

like, way too strong

we're currently trying to reasonably balance it atm

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Vera but actually a frog: denying it until then

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Vera but actually a frog: we definitely need fully packless roles but this would seem too easy to gain info

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Vera but actually a frog: just choose a ti until its the right one

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Vera but actually a frog: ti generally cant afford to purposefully miss a check

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Ts:

like, way too strong

how so?

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Ts: at most it gets one check worth of info

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Ts: which is equivalent to the info Warlock can gain

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Ts: except Warlock can choose their target

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Ts: Furthermore most investigative roles are either equivalent in power to Warlock or weaker, with the notable exception of Crowd Seeker, which I think is the only role that is stronger

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Ts:

TI/WI - Learns the target and the check (e.g Targets FT learns Ts is Plague Bearer) Medium - Learns the Question asked and the result for that question Tanner - Learns targets and if one was a Wolfpack member Devil - if wager is used to investigate learns the result and target of that as well as the true identity of the wager recipient Reaper - if they use a check they learn the result of that Flute Charmer - Learns the role of the charmed player Recluse - learns the effects that target recluse and the identity of any wolfpack member that targets the recluse that night Herald - Learns if the last role that is the Herald's target dies and what role was targeted

Prophetic Hag too

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Ts:

Furthermore most investigative roles are either equivalent in power to Warlock or weaker, with the notable exception of Crowd Seeker, which I think is the only role that is stronger

The Baroness does gain two pieces of information on top of this: (a) They get a confirmation that the role they targeted is still alive - This is useful, sure, but I don't think it's all that strong (b) They know what info their enemy has - This is the strongest part of the role, but it's balanced out by the fact they can't target the same player twice

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Ethan.: Oh right

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Ts: Furthermore the role relies on the existence of powerful enemy roles, which creates an automatic negative feedback loop

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Ts: (Which is good)

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Ethan.: Oh

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Ethan.: So to be powerful the enemy already needs to be powerful?

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Ts: yea the Baroness is most effective when the enemy has powerful roles and least effective if the enemy does not

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Ts: which seems like a pretty good automatic balancing thing (= negative feedback loop)

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Captain Luffy: Why is it called baroness btw

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Ts: The idea and name is from my rough role idea list which I took from some other games https://discord.com/channels/584765921332297775/810624940855787520/1025881492108361791

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Ts: if anyone non-gm wants to see

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Captain Luffy: What's the relation to wolves

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Ethan.: In lore ig it's a rich woman who wants to help wolves kill the peasants

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Ts:

if anyone non-gm wants to see

I opened threads for all of them at some point, which is why this one has such a low number: Maple Wolf -> Regretful Wolf Tarot Reader -> Cancelled Bloodmoon Cult -> Coyotes <#1026586407562653766> Alchemist -> Denied Farmer -> Still open <#1026586698236305468> Raven -> Cancelled(?) dont remember this one Baroness -> this Hollow Husk -> Denied, I think Necromancer -> Denied Horsemen -> Approved

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Ts: Apparently the idea is from here: https://direwolfonline.com/baroness

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Ts: The names are very chaotic there, so idk if there's a great reason

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Ethan.: It fits the theme of packless lycanless wolves being evil humans

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The8thSoul:

It fits the theme of packless lycanless wolves being evil humans

lmao

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Ts: oh yea, that is true

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The8thSoul: the cliche "I have power, therefore I'm evil" arc

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Ts: The role is approved with 6 out 10 votes being ✅

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Ts: Congrats

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Ethan.: Tanner is mad so is therefore evil

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Ts: Now you need to find a champion or postpone it <:gibagul:841358597983961128>

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The8thSoul: Leper might be a good name too

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Captain Luffy: Aren't you the op though

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The8thSoul: For packless lycanless

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Ts:

Now you need to find a champion or postpone it <:gibagul:841358597983961128>

<#1074806626948751430>

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Ethan.: How many is it for senior GMs 2 or 3 in the end?

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Ts:

Aren't you the op though

I gave the general idea, but Ethan made it into a role

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Ts:

How many is it for senior GMs 2 or 3 in the end?

2

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Ts:

Aren't you the op though

And my initial desc was just During the werewolf round, you are shown the last player checked by the seer.

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Captain Luffy: Lol I don't think reaper will ever be unlimited

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Captain Luffy: So I'm stuck forever

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The8thSoul:

And my initial desc was just During the werewolf round, you are shown the last player checked by the seer.

Did that mean night phase?

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Ts: probably

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