Cupid Change?

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shapechange: I've brought this up before but Cupid essentially gives an advantage to Town and some solo teams if it joins them, but a disadvantage to Wolves (and I believe some other solo teams) if it matches with a Wolf (and really fucks the game over for the Lover). Whilst it being a townsided role isn't necessarily a problem, the bit where it's almost impossible to win as a Cupid-Wolf pair (as far as I know, might have been interaction changes since I last checked) could do with a change imo.

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Ts: that is what we have Lupine Cupid for

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shapechange: i don't see what your point is

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shapechange: it still fucks over wolves and is essentially impossible to win as

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shapechange: not impossible, obviously, but ridiculously hard

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Ts: im not sure if thats accurate

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Ts: its very difficult, but the wolves have no means of figuring it our nor can they kill the lover unless they lynch them

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Ts: i suppose town can figure out too easily that the lupine cupid isnt town aligned

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Ts: so perhaps all cupids should be disguised as cupid

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shapechange:

its very difficult, but the wolves have no means of figuring it our nor can they kill the lover unless they lynch them

cupid will presumably be the only non-pack member/proven packless - obviously they could try fake a packless, but that's generally unlikely to remain a solid claim til endgame, and even if it does, when game doesn't end pack will obviously realise. then they just lynch that person, presuming they have more than two votes (two wolves with one mayor, or three wolves). like i said, not impossible presuming a small game and/or a game well-fought by town (in which case it's more likely to be a tie, very rarely would there be an outright win), just very hard and most likely not particularly based on skill

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Ts: cupid isn't supposed to try to be a pack member, they're supposed to blend in with town

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shapechange: i don't see how that makes their job any easier?

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shapechange: either town have the lead, in which case the wolf lover will be found and the pair NKed or lynched; or, the pack have the lead, in which case the cupid will be found and lynched. in both scenarios, presuming a lot of luck, there is potential for the pair to win, but it would be on luck

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Ts: the idea is as they have a person in either team, that they work towards equalising the teams

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Ethan.:

its very difficult, but the wolves have no means of figuring it our nor can they kill the lover unless they lynch them

Can't 2 wolves or 1 alpha out vote the lover?

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Ethan.: In pack

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Ts: but that wouldnt kill the cupid

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Ts: they can kill the lover if they are exposed

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Ts: but there's no way to get exposed

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Ethan.: Ohh

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Ethan.: I see what you mean

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Ethan.: I thought you meant that wolves can't kill Cupid because of protection

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Ethan.: Not that whoever is the lover wolf can't be exposed by wolves

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Captain Luffy: I think current version is fine but the disguise idea was good

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Relaxed Mato: I agree with Wizard Lizard

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Ts: I suggest we go halfway:

• town and wolf behaivor is kept
• cupid joins solo teams

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Ethan.:

I suggest we go halfway:

• town and wolf behaivor is kept
• cupid joins solo teams

So would we make a solo version of each and just describe them all as the solo aligned version of cupid

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Ethan.: Actually how does www interact with Cupid since it's a team now

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Ts: <@&1045732542399131769>

Change Cupid to just copy whatever alignment its lover has:

Pros: The role because infinitly more usable and understandable, and in some cases more winnable Cons: It takes out the town-sidedness that has always been a part of the role making it more similiar to Look-Alike

As this would be a major change to a role that has been around since the start, please think about your vote and if you have a preference and don't just put 🤷

✅ Approve ⛔ Deny 🤷 Abstain

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shapechange: i would like to just quickly defend my vote with the argument that we never use look-alike, and that cupid is slightly less volatile than look-alike because it has essentially a downside (double death) equal to its upside (extra member)

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Ts: I really don't want to change it, but it becomes so much more usable if we do and unlike LA it's actually usable in lists

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shapechange: yah i understand your reluctance but i'd much rather have a role we can use than one that might be more unique and mechanically interesting but far less useable and understandable

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Ts: It seems this will be getting approved

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Vera but actually a frog: denying until i can read through properly

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Vera but actually a frog: whens the last time cupid coupled with a wolf?

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Ethan.: better question is when was the last non town lover

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Vera but actually a frog: well no

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Vera but actually a frog: not the better question

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Vera but actually a frog: the original issue was wolf-cupid

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Vera but actually a frog: so im touching on the original issue

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Vera but actually a frog: but youre right in the part that cupid more often than not couples with town, its a higher chance after all

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Ethan.: I meant better because yeah that last point

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Ethan.: I've seen 2 non town couples

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Ethan.: and one was a thiefs hell

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Ethan.: well 3 actually

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Ethan.: and 2 were thiefs hell

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Ts: expect my reply in about an hour i have research I need to do

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Ts: There are 77 total occurences of Cupid

Townsfolk Role S1G1 - Cursed Civilian ⇒ Town, CCiv turned ⇒ Solo; Death win for lover, death loss for cupid S1G2 - Citizen ⇒ Town; Double death win S1G3 - Cursed Civilian ⇒ Town, CCiv turned via Infecting Wolf ⇒ Solo; Death win for cupid, death loss for lover S1G4 - Wolf ⇒ Solo; Death win for lover, death loss for cupid S1G5 (1) Sacred Wolf ⇒ Solo; Double death loss (2) Royal Knight ⇒ Town; Double death loss S1G6C - White Werewolf ⇒ Solo; Double death loss S2G6 - White Werewolf ⇒ Solo; Death win for cupid, death loss for lover S2G8 (1) Baker ⇒ Town; Death loss (2) ... the same Baker ⇒ Town; Death loss OS2B - 34 Cupids (1) Wolf - Adri Cluster, >=4 Members ⇒ Solo; Live Win (2) Lone Wolf - LoG Cluster, >3 Members ⇒ Solo; Death Loss (3) Cupid - Dennis Cluster, >=2 Members ⇒ Townsfolk; Death Loss (4) Assassin - Vyryn Cluster, >=2 Members ⇒ Townsfolk; Death Loss S3G1 - Lone Wolf ⇒ Solo; Double death loss, but logged incorrectly as the Cupid should have death won S3G3 - Barber ⇒ Town; Double live win SVIP1 - Baker ⇒ Town; Double live win

Unaligned Role To be continued, I'm having dinner now

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shapechange: he consumes

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Vera but actually a frog: he consumes

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The8thSoul: Btw, is this suggestion to get rid of all Cupid Variants and have the lone Cupid role that copies their lover's alignment?