Cupid Change?

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shapechange: I've brought this up before but Cupid essentially gives an advantage to Town and some solo teams if it joins them, but a disadvantage to Wolves (and I believe some other solo teams) if it matches with a Wolf (and really fucks the game over for the Lover). Whilst it being a townsided role isn't necessarily a problem, the bit where it's almost impossible to win as a Cupid-Wolf pair (as far as I know, might have been interaction changes since I last checked) could do with a change imo.

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Ts: Done I guess

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Captain Luffy: remember that all solo game, 2 cupids and reaper

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Captain Luffy: to be fair, its not that much more untown aligned, because you stil have to kill the same number of people to win

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Ts: I would say my research shows that: (a) Changing this hardly impacts the game (b) Having the cupid on your team only helps very slightly, if at all. (it's probably within the margin of error) (c) The cupid and their lover die much more frequently than other players (this is sort of obvious) (d) The cupids tend to pick town much much more frequently than anyone else. This may be by chance, or related to ingame factors.

(a) Is a point in favor of the change, as it simplies the role at minimal impact on the game (b) Shows that having the cupid joining a scum team properly, won't give them a gamebreaking advantage (d) shows that even if it did, it would only happen rarely (c) is more of a problem for smaller teams, than for bigger teams like town, so it balances out the slight advantage the cupid may give you

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Ethan.: Ig Cupids are also more likely to target town currently because it's easier to win as town cupid

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Captain Luffy: for d) it might be correlated to the fact that they arent disadvanted by choosing town

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Ts: I would suggest we apply the change, but keep the cupid variants. That way its still more desirable to be a town cupid, as you will otherwise be seen as scum

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Captain Luffy: at least partially

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Ts:

I would suggest we apply the change, but keep the cupid variants. That way its still more desirable to be a town cupid, as you will otherwise be seen as scum

This will keep it so that Cupids will try to join town if possible

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Ethan.: Just make the variants have the base alignment of the team

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Ts: The Cupid Variants would then not really do anything mechnically and only exist to: (1) Have the alignment (2) Show up in investigative checks

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Captain Luffy: but theres some solo teams that dont have a cupid variant

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Ts: I will still vote ⛔ because I'm stubborn, but ✅ seems to be the objectively better choice

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Ethan.: What about having ways to prevent accidental death by the team in cases like plague

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Ts:

but theres some solo teams that dont have a cupid variant

Add one then, it's like 2 solo teams that dont have one

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Ts:

What about having ways to prevent accidental death by the team in cases like plague

The Plagued Cupid can keep that

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Ts: makes sense there

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Ts: Lupine Cupid shouldn't keep it as their lover can just tell wolfpack about them now

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Ethan.: Yeah

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Captain Luffy: i guess we would need to add like 3 or 4 new cupid roles then? flute, reaper, zombie, vampire, shepherd. oh thats 5

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Ts: reaper, zombie, vampire have cupids

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Ts: only flute and flock do not

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Ts: all other teams have one

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Captain Luffy: no those are only if theyre converted from another team

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Ethan.: What about blazing Cupid because pyro/wisp might powder it since they can't communicate

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Ts:

no those are only if theyre converted from another team

oh right, we'd keep that I guess

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Ethan.: And wisp has immunity as a non main pyro

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Ts: flaming cupid can keep it too then

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Ethan.: Yeah pyro and plague are the only ones it makes sense to be immune to the relevant effect

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Ts: So basically we'd be keeping the possibility of the cupid team existing, but only if one of the people in the couple gets conerted

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Ethan.: Demonic keeps giving soul since that doesn't change at all

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Ethan.:

So basically we'd be keeping the possibility of the cupid team existing, but only if one of the people in the couple gets conerted

Ig yeah

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Ts: Didnt realize that until just now, but makes sense

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Ethan.: But that'll be really really rare

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Captain Luffy: so do we need 5 new cupid roles

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Ethan.: I mean rare in changes

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Ts: Goal: Make Cupid less complicated Solution: Add another 5 cupids

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Ts: An easier, albeit rather strange solution could be to have the Cupid be disguised as their lovers role

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Ts: though that doesn't actually work

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Captain Luffy: or just have their alignment

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Ts: since not everything is affected by disguises

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Ts: so we'd have to add like ultra-strong disguises

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Ts: which is horrible

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Ts: so no

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Captain Luffy: we at least have to keep the hag one, and the conversion ones

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Ts: I think we'd probably unfortunately need a cupid for every team

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Captain Luffy: cupid could just stay as cupid

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Captain Luffy: theyd have to claim their lover if htey claim cupid, and people could investigate them instead

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Ts: ah fair enough

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Ts: that works