Dog / Cat

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Ts: For a lone Dog, Journalist is a valid option, however for the Dog/Cat combo, Journalist is an awful option.

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shapechange: no

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shapechange: that is very much not how it works

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Captain Luffy: Well, okay, should we go for assistant then?

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shapechange: ????

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Captain Luffy: I think we explored most alternative options. Medium or assistant seems to be what it's between

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shapechange: my suggestion was medium and then potentially a slightly stronger pack wolf, to which we both made suggestions. why are you just discarding what we considered?

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Captain Luffy: Yeah, sorry I was just sending my thoughts in 2 messages

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Captain Luffy: Gave the wrong impression

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shapechange: okay fair enough

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shapechange: you are forgiven :)

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shapechange: <@277156693765390337> <@242983689921888256> if we did do medium, would we keep wolf or swap it out for scared/dire/sab wolf?

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shapechange: sab wolf is pretty strong rn

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Ts:

If you did wolf cub then runner could work ig

I agree with this tbh?

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shapechange: i think wc is considerably stronger than runner imo

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Ts: I very much do not like Medium

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Vera but actually a frog: i genuinely have no opinion on this, id say we do wc-runner and see if its bad later on

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Vera but actually a frog: which is an opinion

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shapechange: I don't see the logic behind WC - runner

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Ts: runner gives a townie an extra live

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Ts: wc gives the wolves an extra kill

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Ts: it evens out to 0

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Ts: except that runner is more useful than just +1 live I think

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Vera but actually a frog: yeah

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shapechange: i mean, i suppose, but isn't runner (unconfirmable, super easily claimed) quite a bit weaker than WC (just a stronger wolf)?

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Vera but actually a frog: well idk

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Captain Luffy: If you don't kill the wc then the extra life could get more value

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Captain Luffy: Than the extra kill

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shapechange: the point of werewolves is to kill the wolves, luffy. wc only has no extra value if it's the last killed, which as pack is decently easy to avoid - only FT poses much of a risk of it not happening

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Ts: runners are often public claims and quickly checked and can keep elected roles longer than non-runners

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Captain Luffy: You'd know who the wc is by virtue of a double dog claim

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Ts:

the point of werewolves is to kill the wolves, luffy. wc only has no extra value if it's the last killed, which as pack is decently easy to avoid - only FT poses much of a risk of it not happening

town often will only have 1 wolf lynch target so they may even be forced to lynch a cub knowingly

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Captain Luffy: Also wait I just realized the asymmetric thing kind of confirms who's real from reporter results

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shapechange:

You'd know who the wc is by virtue of a double dog claim

if claims aren't collected D1, then another member of pack can easily claim dog

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Ts: oh yea

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Ts: good point

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Ts: why do you have to ruin everything luffy

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shapechange: LMAO

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shapechange: dont be rude to my boy

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shapechange: only i can be rude to my boy

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Ts: we can't have asymmetry then, he's right

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Captain Luffy: Well, unless the 2 claims are journal and runner

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Captain Luffy: Then it's still impossible to tell

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Captain Luffy: Except for that journal confirms the truth through its ability

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Ethan.:

we can't have asymmetry then, he's right

Well can't we then have Runner and WC and WC and Runner then add Jack Robinson and Robin Jackson for the third option

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Ts: I think this one needs to be closed as introducing asymmetry is very bad

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Ethan.:

Well can't we then have Runner and WC and WC and Runner then add Jack Robinson and Robin Jackson for the third option

<@242983689921888256> I suggested this to keep symmetry WC and Runner since it's +1 kill for wolves + protection for town

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mctsts: WC/Runner could be balanced I guess

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shapechange: is anyone working on this

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shapechange: @242983689921888256><@544125116640919557

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mctsts: i look at it once a week, think about it, and cant think of anything