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condition for omitting alt-text violates HTML Living Standard #67

Closed searchtree closed 7 years ago

searchtree commented 12 years ago

This was a total fluke catch...

I noted a rule I was unaware of earlier today while reading the w3c.org Editor's Draft of 'HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives,' July 2nd, 2012, specifying that the title attribute must Not be used to provide either alternative text or a caption for an image. Doing so effectively hides such text from users employing keyboard only and touch devices, for example, which is stated to be a 'willful violation of the HTML Living Standard.'

In the 'Embedded Content' section, 'The Image Element,' 'Alt,' it is noted that - if alternative text must be omitted because it is unavailable, one of several conditions must be met - particularly, ensuring the title attribute is present with a non-empty value. See "Images whose contents are not known". One example given is a blind man who posts a picture unaware of what it represents - which is similarly relevant to the basis for the note in the draft.

Either way - I think it's awesome that so much consideration is put into all of the documentation and standards. Here I am worrying about alt's & SEO... I would have never stopped to think of an implication like this. Thank you :).

benschwarz commented 12 years ago

Thanks for your bug report!

It looks like you're talking about content, which isn't exactly what this repository or issue tracker covers; @Hixie, where is it best to log this information?

On 18/08/2012, at 9:29 PM, searchtree notifications@github.com wrote:

This was a total fluke catch...

I noted a rule I was unaware of earlier today while reading the w3c.org Editor's Draft of 'HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives,' July 2nd, 2012, specifying that the title attribute must Not be used to provide either alternative text or a caption for an image. Doing so effectively hides such text from users employing keyboard only and touch devices, for example, which is stated to be a 'willful violation of the HTML Living Standard.'

In the 'Embedded Content' section, 'The Image Element,' 'Alt,' it is noted that - if alternative text must be omitted because it is unavailable, one of several conditions must be met - particularly, ensuring the title attribute is present with a non-empty value. See "Images whose contents are not known". One example given is a blind man who posts a picture unaware of what it represents - which is similarly relevant to the basis for the note in the draft.

Either way - I think it's awesome that so much consideration is put into all of the documentation and standards. Here I am worrying about alt's & SEO... I would have never stopped to think of an implication like this. Thank you :).

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Hixie commented 12 years ago

On Sun, 19 Aug 2012, Ben Schwarz wrote:

It looks like you're talking about content, which isn't exactly what this repository or issue tracker covers; @Hixie, where is it best to log this information?

WHATWG mailing list (http://whatwg.org/mailing-list#specs), ideally.

Ian Hickson U+1047E )..,--....,'``. fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A /, .. \ \ ;`. ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. ._.-(,_..'--(,_..'-.;.'

Hixie commented 11 years ago

On Sun, 19 Aug 2012, Ben Schwarz wrote:

Thanks for your bug report!

It looks like you're talking about content, which isn't exactly what this repository or issue tracker covers; @Hixie, where is it best to log this information?

On 18/08/2012, at 9:29 PM, searchtree notifications@github.com wrote:

This was a total fluke catch...

I noted a rule I was unaware of earlier today while reading the w3c.org Editor's Draft of 'HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives,' July 2nd, 2012, specifying that the title attribute must Not be used to provide either alternative text or a caption for an image. Doing so effectively hides such text from users employing keyboard only and touch devices, for example, which is stated to be a 'willful violation of the HTML Living Standard.'

In the 'Embedded Content' section, 'The Image Element,' 'Alt,' it is noted that - if alternative text must be omitted because it is unavailable, one of several conditions must be met - particularly, ensuring the title attribute is present with a non-empty value. See "Images whose contents are not known". One example given is a blind man who posts a picture unaware of what it represents - which is similarly relevant to the basis for the note in the draft.

Either way - I think it's awesome that so much consideration is put into all of the documentation and standards. Here I am worrying about alt's & SEO... I would have never stopped to think of an implication like this. Thank you :).

Sorry for the delay in replying. Best place to send feedback is either to mail the WHATWG list, or file a bug at: http://whatwg.org/newbug

Info on the WHATWG list is at: http://www.whatwg.org/mailing-list

HTH,

Ian Hickson U+1047E )..,--....,'``. fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A /, .. \ \ ;`. ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. ._.-(,_..'--(,_..'-.;.'

benschwarz commented 11 years ago

Hey @searchtree, reckon you could drop the bug details where @Hixie said?

domenic commented 7 years ago

I'm having trouble deciphering exactly what the problem is with the source document. And, this is a very old issue, which may have been fixed in the meantime. (Check revamped developer's edition to be sure.)

So, let me close this. But, I am happy to reopen if we are still missing something.