Map Pool

[denkstrum-hots]

The large map pool size makes it cumbersome to plan and react to drafts, HGC limits their map pool and that has seemed popular with teams. As a caster, most teams gravitate to the same 5 ish maps anyways.

For simplicity sakes, I think rather than a per night or per division separate map pool, just take a survey for all the captains on the 5 maps they want removed from the map pool, ranked in order of priority. Take the top 4 choices and remove those from chair league globally. Any new maps released during the season will be allowed into the map pool.

A smaller pool makes it easier for teams to prep and practice and most people dislike three maps in particular. Those maps contribute to cheese more than others as well. Allowing new maps creates viewer interest and lets chairleague serve as an example for learning to play them.

[superjova]

Something I'm not sure where I read or head of it is map pool per week. When a week is scheduled, it can randomize "5 maps" from the pool to pick from.

The number each week can be discussed here if that's something people like.

[superjova]

We would also need a rule for "No map can be played 2 times in a series"

[Durgulach]

The no repeat map rule is in the proposed language I drafted in another topic.

I wouldnt be a proponent of a weekly pool, too much for teams to keep track of. I would be a fan of a simpler locked to HGC pool

[onemegamanfan]

I say just a set locked pool per season. Maybe just copy the current HGC pool? As someone who plays in HGC open having the pools match would be nice. Maybe the Free league can be any map paid has a set list?

[Akash122]

Copying the HGC pool or Hero/Team league pool is what should be done. Those are the maps people will be playing the most and be most comfortable on.

[Hammwich]

I agree with Akash and Megamanfan, I think its in the best interest of the league to adopt what is considered to be the most competitively balanced maps.

In addition, I'd bet that nearly 70% of all matches played last season were played on the 9 maps that are available in the HGC map pool.

[superjova]

Can you post your suggested map pool here?

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I agree with Akash, I think its in the best interest of the league to adopt what is considered to be the most competitively balanced maps.

In addition, I'd bet that nearly 70% of all matches played last season were played on the 9 maps that are available in the HGC map pool.

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[Hammwich]

Warhead Junction Braxis Holdout Cursed Hollow Dragon Shire Tomb of the Spider Queen Sky Temple Towers of Doom Battlefield of Eternity Infernal Shrines

Edit, beat you to it Durg ;)

[Durgulach]

Here.is the current HGC pool:

Battlefield of Eternity Braxis Holdout Cursed Hollow Dragon Shire Infernal Shrines Sky Temple Tomb of the Spider Queen Towers of Doom Warhead Junction

[superjova]

With a proposed map pool, does it update as HGC updates or does it change from season to season?

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Here.is the current HGC pool:

Battlefield of Eternity Braxis Holdout Cursed Hollow Dragon Shire Infernal Shrines Sky Temple Tomb of the Spider Queen Towers of Doom Warhead Junction

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[Hammwich]

Personally, I would prefer it follow HGC, they define the most competitively balanced maps, if we just follow their lead it limits the need for debate down the road. And helps us align with Open Division as well.

[Akash122]

I'd go with whatever the HGC map pool is at the start of a CL season, and leave it that way for the duration of that season. If it so happens that HGC changes their map pool in the middle of a CL season I would wait until the following CL season to make the change.

[Durgulach]

I wouldnt even mention HGC. Just say this is the map pool for the season, and just copy hgc. This way if hgc pool does change there is no confusion in our league and we can change the pool the following season.

[Hammwich]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that we reference the HGC at all, not being affiliated with it, more just follow their lead.

[superjova]

Season 1, the map was picked before the week started. Did anyone play during that time?

What do you think about this:

Given there are 3 rounds per map, each week gets a random 5 of the 13 maps for the map pool. Going into the week, you will know what are the potential maps the other team can pick. This will allow us to have a map pool while at the same time giving variety each week.

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I don't think anyone is suggesting that we reference the HGC at all, not being affiliated with it, more just follow their lead.

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[Hammwich]

To be honest @superjova I don't think that would bring variety or additional players to the league. I don't recall playing a single map that wasn't on the HGC pool in all 8 weeks last season, and not in playoffs either and over that time played 5 best of 3s.

Emulating professional play is a big part of leagues like this, the maps picked would likely be the 9 already in the proposed map pool.

Unless you have a week that is Haunted Mines, Hanamura, Garden Terror, Blackhearts Bay + 1, I don't see these maps being picked. And honestly I know my team wouldn't be too thrilled with with the prospect of playing those maps.

[Akash122]

I agree. Imo, the vast majority of players have no desire to play garden, mines, etc. I don't see a reason to include them.

[superjova]

I'm down to make a map pool. Can we get a pull request with the specifications? Also, chairleague.com/maps will always show the map pool. Include that in the rules.

Some additional rules:

• Teams will only be able to select maps from the map pool
• Same map cannot be played twice in the same series

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I agree. Imo, the vast majority of players have no desire to play garden, mines, etc. I don't see a reason to include them.

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[Hammwich]

With the Fixed map pool, I think its also time to add 1 Map Ban per team prior to the start of Game 1.

This eliminates the need for a "default map" as suggested in a separate thread.

A match would begin, prior to entering a lobby each team in the /ChairLeague channel will Ban 1 map from the map pool. After banning 1 map, the Home Team will choose the map to be played and a lobby will be created.

I would like this to evolve into the Loser of Game 1 having the choice of Map Pick or First Pick in the subsequent match. This allows a team if the meta is very "first pick friendly" to take that advantage and surrender map choice.

[superjova]

Let's start with a map pool first. The other topics should be discussed in their own issues.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:26 AM, Hammwich notifications@github.com wrote:

With the Fixed map pool, I think its also time to add 1 Map Ban per team prior to the start of Game 1.

This eliminates the need for a "default map" as suggested in a separate thread.

A match would begin, prior to entering a lobby each team in the /ChairLeague channel will Ban 1 map from the map pool. After banning 1 map, the Home Team will choose the map to be played and a lobby will be created.

I would like this to evolve into the Loser of Game 1 having the choice of Map Pick or First Pick in the subsequent match. This allows a team if the meta is very "First Pick Friendly" to take that advantage and surrender map choice.

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[Hammwich]

Would love to help you @superjova with the pull request but I don't know how to do that.

[superjova]

I've implemented map pools on my end. Can we have a pull request made with the map pool rules and current allowed maps?

[superjova]

To do a pull request, go to Code => README => Edit. And then create your first pull request when you are done.

[superjova]

Added in PR https://github.com/chairleague/hots-rules/pull/24