Rock and Roll Cartridge, Tank 2

[Hawk-v3]

While I can't find the EXACT product, my googlefu is failing me, the other tank appears to be something like this:

https://www.kiilto.com/product/f-60-ciro/#compositions

However the formulation doesn't match exactly, it has citric acid in it as well.

Dosage would be 35ml in a currently unknown amount of water.

The packaging details: 35ml/1 dose. UFI: CM57-N0DW-W00G-D6CR Composition: Methanesulfonic Acid

[miyoyo]

Here are the exact specifications, you can use this website to get the formulation number: https://www.decoder-ufi.com/ufi.aspx

The two formulations are:

• Tank 1: P7D7-M0JG-G00K-AG7Q, Formulation 2670
• Tank 2: CM57-N0DW-W00G-D6CR, Formulation 2593 Both are from SAS SODEL, www.sodel-sa.eu

When looking at the safety documents on the website, it appears that they use this specific format:

1.1. Product identifier
Product name : DPC 600
Product code : FS CLP2593.

So, looking for "FS CLP2670 filetype:pdf" gives us this safety document. Copy here: 2621-4273-LIQUIDE VAISSELLE LLV200-.pdf

So, the Bob Cassette Rock'N'Roll has:

• Tank 1: Sodel/Exeol LLV200
• Tank 2: Sodel/Exeol DPC600

[miyoyo]

And just because I can (sorry for the off topic part)

Pop Cassette:

• Tank 1: Sodel/Exeol LLV300, (Copy), 9AD7-407V-T002-0TTS, Formulation 2671, bleach based
• Tank 2: Not certain, however there is this specific document in the safety sheets of Daan Tech, which refers to an off the shelf Finish All in One gel product, which is enzyme based.

Coincidentally, I was watching Technological Connections, which explains that Enzymes and Bleach do not mix in gels, which is probably why the cassettes are using detergent twice, and not something like dedicated rinse-aid.

I suspect they're using Hard Water Detergent here because they use it as a more concentrated version of LLV200, and they use LLV200 in the Rock because they dump the entire cartridge in it.

More Edits: Given the density of LLV300, which is 1.22g/mL, Bob pulling 4.33ml per wash, that's a total of 5.2826g of detergent per wash cycle.

This document shows recommended dosages per litre (Copy), which is

• 1-3g/L for Hard Water
• 2-4g/L for Very Hard Water

If we assume most cycles are done in 4 parts, all using equal water, we can assume it's 950ml per part. If both rinse parts are done without detergent, that's 2 parts with detergent, so 2.6413g of detergent per part. (1/0.95)*2.6413 = 2.7803g/L of detergent, which falls into the high range of Hard water, and the mid-low range of Very Hard water.

So that's (10-25%) 0.278g-0.695g of Sodium Hydroxide per liter, and (2.5-10%) 0.0695g-0.278g of Phosponic Acid per liter.

I don't think we know how much water is mixed with these detergents, but it could be interesting to put the dishwasher on a scale, and keep track of both the weight and evacuated water, to approximate the densities of the detergents.

[dekuNukem]

Thanks! I'll add those information to the main articles.

[hezibu]

Great work! Really appreciated.

Are the detergent specified by @miyoyo the final conclusion on what to refill each tank of the two cassettes? That's amazing.

[miyoyo]

@hezibu It's what you should fill them with if you want the stock experience, you can use a variety of different products too, I personally don't even use the cassettes anymore, just tabs.

[hezibu]

@miyoyo Thanks for the quick reply.

I just got mine yesterday. I'm inclined for refills over tabs because I used to have tabs for my full size dishwasher, so I guess it's somewhat of an overkill with this small one. How is your experience with tabs?

[miyoyo]

You need to use different quantities depending on how hard your water is, I use a full tab myself

Cleaning overall is satisfactory imo, that's why I don't bother buying a new cartridge as mine is broken, and I don't bother refilling either