[Bug/Feature request] tokens with a hidden score banked can't be hear

[TheXeno30]

So.. usecase

I have token1 in the dark that another token2 can hear. If token1 hides then token2 can no long hear token1. all good.

If Token2 then spots token1 (aka. have a higher spot than token1s hide score) token 2 still can't hear token1.

hope it's clear :)

[dev7355608]

It sounds like there is another module involved here, right? Stealthy, I assume?

[TheXeno30]

It sounds like there is another module involved here, right? Stealthy, I assume?

Yes - think its stealthy. Just didn't know where the functionality was located :)

[dev7355608]

I suspect it is an issue with Stealthy: from your description it sounds like vision is not refreshed when the spot scores change. Vision 5e is unaware of Stealthy's spot scores.

[Eligarf]

From Stealthy's side, I just tested this with a PC that could only hear the NPCs around it. I then used Stealthy to bank a middling stealth roll for one of the NPCs and the PC could no longer hear it. I then rolled a high perception check with the PC and it could hear the stealthed NPC again. I cannot repro the issue that you are having TheXeno30.

There is a separate issue where hearing doesn't seem to work anymore in v12 regardless of Stealthy being active or not.

[TheXeno30]

Well - it might be my settings. So this is my setup. hope it helps.

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[dev7355608]

From Stealthy's side, I just tested this with a PC that could only hear the NPCs around it. I then used Stealthy to bank a middling stealth roll for one of the NPCs and the PC could no longer hear it. I then rolled a high perception check with the PC and it could hear the stealthed NPC again. I cannot repro the issue that you are having TheXeno30.

@Eligarf: I assumed @TheXeno30 is describing a situation where the controlled token isn't changed, and so this bug isn't something the GM would notice as they probably change control of tokens after changing the spot values. So I suspected that perhaps Stealthy doesn't call canvas.perception.update({ refreshVision: true }) after the spot values have changed, or perhaps not in all cases at least. I didn't do any testing myself though, just a theory.

[TheXeno30]

1. GM view - Invisible creature
2. Player view - invisible creature
3. Invisible creature also hiding
4. Player token with spot above hide value - Here it should display sound again but not vision

[Eligarf]

@dev7355608 : A perception refresh is done anytime perception or stealth is rolled, updated via the token HUD, or changed from some outside source like Perceptive. so I don't think the controlled token changing is a factor, but something is clearly going amiss.

@TheXeno30 : Can you do that sequence again but enable the debug logging in Stealthy's game settings? You can reply to me in the bug you opened on Stealthy bug #139

[dev7355608]

@TheXeno30 Could you check whether Vision 5e 2.3.1 fixed this issue? I fixed a bug (#85) that might also be the root cause of this issue.

[TheXeno30]

Using perceptive now. not stealthy. same issue.

[TheXeno30]

funny thing... If i beat the stealth it reveals the token even if invisible. but if I remove the hide effect it does doesn't show the token until i mouse over it then it shows the sounds

[TheXeno30]

think i got it to work now - by messing around with settings - still reveals the token if you spot it - even invisible (guess its ok) and doesn't update until you move or mouseover the token if you remove hide.

[dev7355608]

Using perceptive now. not stealthy. same issue.

@TheXeno30 I checked Perception's source code a bit: I'm not confident that Perceptive and Vision 5e are a 100% compatible the way Perceptive is implemented. I suspect also Perceptive compatibility issues with other modules that do something vision related like GM Vision and Reveal Observable Tokens. I also cannot find evidence that Perceptive is refreshing vision/visibility anywhere.