LOTR-Subs

Made whilst wasting on Arwen's wasting pillow

How to use

Choose disc1/disc2 or the combined PGS subs (.sup file).

If choosing combined PGS subs, make sure your combined is the same as mine since the timings will be off slightly for disc2 stuff if not.

You can generate your own PGS subs instead of using the release ones I made by opening the .srt file in Subtitle Edit and then use MKVToolNix's GUI to replace the original subtitles with the appropriate .sup file for the appropriate movie or movie part.

You can also embed the .srt file instead of the .sup file. The .sup file is blu-ray PGS subtitles which are pictures and look nice, while the .srt file is just text and it's up to your player to decide how to show them. I haven't done any work on positioning the .srt subtitles, just making sure they're right.

Use MKVToolNix to "Add as new source files..." the .SUP (or .SRT) files, set your subtitle options as needed (default, forced for transNonEnglish), optionally delete the original subtitles (trans subs include all original subtitles with added Elvish/other languages), change save name at bottom, and hit the "Start multiplexing" button.

FOTR Extended Specs

1080p USA blu-ray discs (set w/ embedded Sindarin text occasionally).
If using combined they must follow the FOTR combining instructions or else things will be off. The combined runtime is 3:48:10.744, 328250 frames, no gap between disc1/2 transition.

TTT Extended Specs

1080p USA blu-ray discs (set w/ embedded Sindarin text occasionally).
If using combined they must follow the TTT combining instructions or else things will be off. The combined runtime is 3:55:26.923, 338708 frames, limited gap between disc1/2 transition (for the tunes).

ROTK Extended Specs

1080p USA blu-ray discs (set w/ embedded Sindarin text occasionally).
If using combined they must follow the ROTK combining instructions or else things will be off. The combined runtime is 4:23:11.335, 378614 frames, limited gap between disc1/2 transition (for the tunes).

Note that for 4K blu-rays you'd have to remake the subs from the SRT file with Video res in Subtitle Edit set to UHD. I don't have the 4k blu-rays so I can't know if the font changed/was adjusted at all/etc. The timings for the subtitles should be the same, at least.

Also note that it's possible to adjust the time stamps of the combined .srt file's 2nd disc subtitles to align to your combined timing. (hint: put an empty subtitle that ends 24 ms before the time you want to align to, then paste in disc 2 subtitles so they're timed right)

Video showing how to add .sup files from the Releases section to a TTT combined movie: https://files.catbox.moe/danbbp.mp4

Help translate anything missing!

If you notice anything missing a translation, note the movie, time, and disc# or combined and open an issue or find an issue for it already. Hopefully I can find someone translating it (since I am but a laylad) or be graced with someone who can translate it.

FOTR Extended Combine Discs 1 & 2 Instructions

Color Correct

This is needed since the colors in FOTR are abs bjorked. (Do not color correct 4k FOTR, I hear its colors are just fine!)

Follow the guide https://www.howtogeek.com/238725/how-to-fix-the-green-tint-in-the-lord-of-the-rings-fellowship-of-the-ring-extended-edition-blu-ray/ there, use the Web Archive to access any files you can't get.
Note that you should use https://github.com/AviSynth/AviSynthPlus instead of the old AviSynth since it's modern (should be faster) but also completely compatible for this.
Note that if you want to encode with H.265 10-bit (small file size, good quality, 10-bit reduces banding): choose x265, set it to Constant Quality 18, Preset Slow, and add these custom options (2nd tab at top of window): for d1 --profile main10 --no-strong-intra-smoothing --no-rect --aq-mode 1 --qpfile "C:\path\to\D1-pause.txt" and for d2 --profile main10 --no-strong-intra-smoothing --no-rect --aq-mode 1 --no-open-gop --qpfile "C:\path\to\D2-pause.txt" (note they are different!)
Note that for combining following the guide in combo with if you ?keep the commentary tracks? the audio is off by 1 second on the disc 2 stuff. You need to make cut versions of Disc 1 and 2 then append them together, detailed in the Combine section just a bit down. If just the movie audio you are probably OK to do it all in 1 shot per the link above.

^{_{Shout out to Pascal @ https://gitlab.com/mbunkus/mkvtoolnix/-/issues/2990 for noting the issue was default open GOP (whatver that is). It's no problem for disc 1 b/c it counts from the start of the file, but disc 2 gets cut and references non-existant earlier stuff and goes bad, so --no-open-gop it is for disc 2!}}

Note that if you get a DirectShowSource error when trying to use the .avs file with MeGUI, go download and install LAV Filters from https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=156191 OR find "MatroskaSplitter" and install it. I guess it's a codec thing?

Combine

^{_{Do not worry if you did not re-encode with key frames 151969 for d1 and 48 for d2, they are key frames in the original x264 encoding because they're the first black frame/first non-black frame so the encoder put key frames there automatically. Splitting will work great!}}

The multi-step way below will not have any timing issues, but it is more steps than the 1-shot. Especially use if you're keeping the commentary tracks.

Per agressiv @ https://forum.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=100657#p100657: Note their frame #s are off because they missed that MPC-HC counts from 0 as 1st frame while MKVToolNix counts from 1 as 1st frame and that MKVToolNix's ranges are inclusive, so they're off by 2 frames but otherwise right.

Rip each extended disk to its own MKV, for example, LOTR1d1.mkv and LOTR1d2.mkv
Drag Disc 1 into MkvToolNix by itself
(Add Color Corrected version if using it and disable the H.264 original video)
Go into the Output tab.
Change Split mode from Do not split to After frame/field numbers
Use frame# 151969 for disc 1 and frame# 48 for disc 2.
The destination file can be LOTR1d1-clipped.mkv as an example.
When you click Start multiplexing, it will create two files - LOTR1d1-clipped-001.mkv and LOTR1d1-clipped-002.mkv
Repeat for Disc 2.
You'll see that for the first disc, -002 will be just a couple of seconds of black, while for the second disc, -001 will be just a couple of seconds of black.
Create a new Multiplexer, and drag LOTR1d1-clipped-001.mkv to the list. Right click that video, and do Append files and click LOTR1d2-clipped-002.mkv.
Make sure the Output section's Split Mode is set to "Do not split", you can rename in the Output sections' File Title
Click Start multiplexing and verify the output.

This is the 1-shot way, it will fail if you have commentary tracks since I guess one of them is a bit long so the audio gets offset or something.

In MKVToolNix "Add as new source files..." the disc 1 movie, the d1 color corrected mkv (if using it, and disable movie's x264 version), and either the d1 translated subs (can add them after combining tho via the combined subs) or directly go for the combined (do not append d2 trans subs to that). Then "Append" (right click thing you want to append to, choose Append) the d2 movie to the d1 movie, the d2 color corrected to the d1 color corrected, and the d2 subs to the d1 subs.
In MKVToolNix go to the Output tab's Splitting section set the Split Mode to "By parts based on frame/field numbers".
Put in the box: -151968,+152138-
Click "Start multiplexing"

^{_{1st number goes up to last movie frame (151968) and splits at 151969 (first black frame which is set as the key frame). 2nd number is based on 152090 total frames in Disc 1 plus 48, so it starts a split at 1st movie frame in d2 (48) and goes from there. Identify frames in MPC-HC via CTRL+G, note it counts from 1st frame 0 while MKVToolNix counts from 1st frame 1, so you need to add 1 to whatever you find.}}

TTT Extended Combine Discs 1 & 2 Instructions

In MKVToolNix "Add as new source files..." the disc 1 movie and either the d1 translated subs (can add them after combining tho via the combined subs) or directly go for the combined (do not append d2 trans subs to that). Then "Append" (right click thing you want to append to, choose Append) the d2 movie to the d1 movie and the d2 subs to the d1 subs (if not adding in the combined subs later).
In MKVToolNix go to the Output tab's Splitting section set the Split Mode to "By parts based on frame/field numbers".
Put in the box: -153368,+153450-
Click "Start multiplexing"

Note that I got a warning about indexes being bad or something from MKVToolNix but everything seems fine. I got the warning for doing it in the 1 shot method and appending the seperately split files (split d1 at 153368, split d2 at 24, then append without any splitting), so seems no way to avoid but no problem either.

^{_{The music definitively ends on frame 153396 (1:46:37.814, according to a waveform of the audio via Audacity. plus 1 frame). (the first black frame is on frame 153307 but the music abruptly cuts then) The original 1080p encoding has key frames of 6394.179 (f#153307), 6395.014, 6395.848, 6396.682 (1:46:36.682, f#153368), 6397.516 (1:46:37.516, f#153387), 6398.350 (1:46:38.350). You can re-encode with a keyframe set at 153396 to get it just right, but the wait seems a bit egregious then. Cutting it at when I more or less can't hear it anymore (1:46:36.343, so closest keyframe after it) should let the scene end but also not be too long, which was the key frame 153368, 2.503 seconds after the first black frame. With the cut at 153368 established, and d2 has 24 frames over black, d1 has 153426 total frames so after appending both together you get up to 153368 and then 153450 (153426+24) to the end. Identify frames in MPC-HC via CTRL+G, note it counts from 1st frame 0 while MKVToolNix counts from 1st frame 1, so you need to add 1 to whatever you find.}}

ROTK Extended Combine Discs 1 & 2 Instructions

In MKVToolNix "Add as new source files..." the disc 1 movie and either the d1 translated subs (can add them after combining tho via the combined subs) or directly go for the combined (do not append d2 trans subs to that). Then "Append" (right click thing you want to append to, choose Append) the d2 movie to the d1 movie and the d2 subs to the d1 subs (if not adding in the combined subs later).
In MKVToolNix go to the Output tab's Splitting section set the Split Mode to "By parts based on frame/field numbers".
Put in the box: -183583,+183686-
Click "Start multiplexing"

Note that I got a warning about indexes being bad or something from MKVToolNix but everything seems fine. I got the warning for doing it in the 1 shot method and appending the seperately split files (split d1 at 183583, split d2 at 24, then append without any splitting), so seems no way to avoid but no problem either.

^{_{ROTK has a similar setup to TTT at the end of d1 with the music drifting off. It becomes mostly unhearable at 2:07:36.364 (f#183570). Frame 183542 is the first black frame. The key frames are 2:7:35.231 f#183542, 2:7:36.065 f#183563, 2:7:36.899, f#183583, 2:7:37.733, 2:7:38.568, 2:7:39.402. Again, the hard cut at 183542 feels wrong (music just cuts), so closest at f#183583 is used. With the cut at 183583 established, and d2 has 24 frames over black, d1 has 183662 total frames so after appending both together you get up to 183583 and then 183686 (183662+24) to the end. Identify frames in MPC-HC via CTRL+G, note it counts from 1st frame 0 while MKVToolNix counts from 1st frame 1, so you need to add 1 to whatever you find.}}

Make your own combined timings

Timing Adjustments:

For the respective movie, download the trans_subs_disc2.srt and orig_subs_disc2.srt and find the first subtitle in the trans version that is identical to the original version in text and timing (hint: FOTR disc2 opens with Sindarin dialog so the timings are different at the start).
Open your combined movie in Subtitle Edit (it'll take a while; I'll call this window SE_0). Choose the 1st subtitle listed, it's prob the real subtitles and not the commentary subtitles.
Get the start timing for that subtitle line you found above for disc2 in the combined version from the OCR pane, close it when done. Add 0.001 because Subtitle Edit gives the times off by -0.001 if the .sup's are imported this way for reasons idk. Use the extraction steps in the "Process to translate yourself" section if you want to be sure, you can open that .sup file (it's just extra steps tho).
Close that SE_0 window.
Subtract (get the difference) between the two times, see example below. Use "timestamp_calcr.xlsx" to calc the difference if you don't want to do time maths.
E.g. (yours will not match the combined timings - this example will yield subtitle adjustment timings for the combining instructions above, cause I used those to make this example):

FOTR d2 first matching line:
00:00:47,256 --> 00:00:50,759
[IN ENGLISH] In her heart, your mother
knew you'd be hunted all your life.

FOTR _your original_ combined:
#1097 in Subtitle Edit
01:46:23.653 -> +0.001 -> 01:46:23.654

Difference in start times:
01:45:36.398

Make the combined .srt

Open the disc1.srt file in Subtitle Edit (I'll call this window SE_1).
Save-as, replace disc1 with combined in the file name (tbh you can name it anything you like).
Scroll to the bottom of the subtitles.
Open a new instance of Subtitle Edit (I'll call this window SE_2; gotta open the .exe again).
In SE_2, open disc2.srt file.
CTRL+SHIFT+A to offset all subtitles.
Make sure "All lines" is ticked and type in the "Difference in start times" you calculated in the above step.
Click "Show Later" (make sure not to save the file now!)
CTRL+A to select all, CTRL+C to copy all.
In SE_1 click on the last subtitle there then CTRL+V.
Donezo! Save SE_1 (your new combined subtitles) and do not save SE_2 (modified disc2 subtitles).

Convert .SRT -> .SUP files yourself

Note that the below settings aren't perfect, just really close. It seems for:

-Dialog like
-This

in the orig subs they are center left justified custom, but I don't have the wherewithal to do that (unless maybe all issues get closed). The dialog is also slightly different sizes and there's more padding from Subtitle Edit on the top and bottom that I can't control.

File -> Export -> Blu-ray sup...
Use the settings below based on which movie. The line height changes between movies for reasons beyond me.

FOTR

Font Family: Arial
Font Size: 66
Video res: 1080p
Align: Center, left justify dialog
Bottom margin: 5%
Border style: Normal, width=3
Frame rate: 23.976
Shadow width: 0
Line height: 77 <- only thing that changes between movies

TTT

Font Family: Arial
Font Size: 66
Video res: 1080p
Align: Center, left justify dialog
Bottom margin: 5%
Border style: Normal, width=3
Frame rate: 23.976
Shadow width: 0
Line height: 72 <- only thing that changes between movies

ROTK

Font Family: Arial
Font Size: 66
Video res: 1080p
Align: Center, left justify dialog
Bottom margin: 5%
Border style: Normal, width=3
Frame rate: 23.976
Shadow width: 0
Line height: 85 <- only thing that changes between movies

Export, use MKVToolNix (mkvtoolnix-gui.exe) to merge, remove old subs (or keep and rename/remove default tag)!

Process to translate yourself

MKVToolNix's mkvmerge.exe & mkvextract.exe to extract PGS subtitles from combined blu-ray rip. (I open a CMD window in the MKVToolNix folder and work from there, type cmd in Explorer address bar when in the MKVToolNix folder to open a CMD window in said folder)
```
mkvmerge -i "C:\path\to\LORT FOTR_d1.mkv"
```

identify subtitle ID #

mkvextract "C:\path\to\LORT FOTR_d1.mkv" tracks #:"C:\path\to\LORT FOTR_d1.sup"

mkvextract "C:\path\to\LORT FOTR_d2.mkv" tracks #:"C:\path\to\LORT FOTR_d2.sup"

* Subtitle Edit's Tesseract 5 OCR to convert to SRT with correct timings. Edit each line manually, many I's are |'s, misses most accent marks. Better than bianary.
* Save SRT as original. Save as SRT as translated for edits.
* Load in the movie to Subtitle Edit, use FOTR/TTT/ROTK subs from https://subscene.com/u/1418112 as a guide for general times Sindarin/Quenya/Black Speech happen (timings aren't quite right due to Disc1+Disc2 combo differing prob idk).
* Add them all in painfully. Pre-embedded subs require Sindarin to be on 1 line only.
* Use resources (below) to check translation quality, catch few missing translations.
* Any text like: `GANDALF: <i>I am a...` needs an extra space to match the original sub spacing like `GANDALF: <i> I am a...`.
* Identify font family and use BDSup2Sub Enhanced 0.0.9 to make sure new subs visually match originals (do not use/save w/ BDSup2Sub, it drops subtitles silently).

## Resources per movie
### FOTR
http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/elvish/fotr.html & https://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_fotr.htm

* https://subscene.com/subtitles/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-fellowship-of-the-ring/english/2698286

* https://subscene.com/subtitles/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-fellowship-of-the-ring/english/1913639

The Lament for Gandalf needs extra crutches:
* Soundtrack from https://youtu.be/5VA0s8kOc1Y?t=442

* Words to the non-extended version of the soundtrack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgN0ydtrnbo

* Sheet music page 1 https://web.archive.org/web/20230107014344/https://www.musicnotes.com/images/productimages/large/mtd/MN0041737.gif

* Sheet music page 2 https://web.archive.org/web/20230107014254/https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0017/6760/4339/products/84c32bde7d375fec4fd1c5d0df0a1a74_1024x1024.png?v=1618329648

* Official words and translation (annotated score) https://web.archive.org/web/20221209124726/https://www.elvish.org/gwaith/pdf/fotr_annotated_score_2.pdf

* Unofficial words and translation (#10 notes and #11) https://web.archive.org/web/20221126204330/https://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_soundtrack_fotr.htm

* LOTR symphony translations, idk I found them in the pdf directory there https://web.archive.org/web/20190810084136/http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/pdf/NewLOTRSymphonyTranslation.pdf

### TTT
http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/elvish/ttt.html & https://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_ttt.htm

* https://subscene.com/subtitles/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-two-towers/english/2693708

* https://subscene.com/subtitles/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-two-towers/english/1913640

*  Éowyn's Dirge in https://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_soundtrack_ttt.htm

*  Annotated score https://www.henneth-annun.ru/multimedia/ttt_annotated_score.pdf

*  Monoverantus' videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5t17_D4s90

### ROTK
http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/elvish/rotk.html & https://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_rotk.htm

* https://subscene.com/subtitles/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-return-of-the-king/english/2693881

* https://subscene.com/subtitles/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-return-of-the-king/english/1913641

* Aragorn's recital https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Oath_of_Elendil

* Annotated Score https://ia600301.us.archive.org/3/items/mbid-e7fe61ca-65b8-4abb-8723-1e7c1a5e0a49/mbid-e7fe61ca-65b8-4abb-8723-1e7c1a5e0a49-7218533109.pdf

### Black Speech resources

* List of all known words https://web.archive.org/web/20180501031101/http://folk.uib.no/hnohf/o2.htm

* Translated Black Speech score (used in at least 1 scene as words) https://www.elvish.org/gwaith/pdf/fotr_annotated_score_2.pdf at "BLACK SPEECH RING-VERSE" on page 17

* Extra phrase at https://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_fotr.htm `40. Ringwraith's Cry.`

* Lyrics at https://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_soundtrack_fotr.htm#ring

* Extra phrase at https://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_ttt.htm#sauron

### Orcish Black Speech (Yrksk apparently) - centered on the general orc chanting stuff

* https://web.archive.org/web/20230131063110/http://scrapbook.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/927 pics of all of the things chanted in the stadium for ROTK (afaik)

*  Za dashu snaku Zigur, Durbgu nazgshu, Durbgu dashshu https://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_ttt.htm#sauron was recorded in the stadium for TTT (AFAIK just the "Durbgu nazgshu, Durbgu dashshu" part)

*  https://zhaaburi.wordpress.com/yrksk/

### Khuzdûl resources

* [Khuzdûl blog posts by David Salo](https://web.archive.org/web/20161020183412/http://midgardsmal.com/category/khuzdul/)

* [Khuzdûl dictionarry by David Salo](https://web.archive.org/web/20161012082341/http://midgardsmal.com/neo-khuzdul-glossary)

* [Dwarrow Scholar - this is 3rd party so less relevant to the movies directly, but is thorough](https://www.dwarrowscholar.com/library.html)

## Style Guide

### 1st line of Elvish w/ baked-on translations

[IN SINDARIN] (Suilad.)

PERSON [IN SINDARIN]: (Suilad.)


### Missing baked-on translations

[IN SINDARIN] [Frodo is dying.] (Frodo fîr. Suilad.)


### Fully missing translations

PERSON [IN SINDARIN]: Hi. (Suilad.)

[IN SINDARIN] Hi. (Suilad.)

VOICE OF THE RING [WHISPERS IN BLACK SPEECH]: Sauron... (Zigur...)


### Song

Words words words

Punctuation not needed for verses.

[SINGING IN SINDARIN] O Queen beyond the Western Seas! (A Bereth thar Ennui Aeair!)

STRIDER [HUMS IN SINDARIN]: Tinúviel the elven-fair (Tinúviel elvanui)


### Continued sentences

All you have to decide...

...is what to do with the time that is given to you.


### All italicized text with `PERSON: <i>` needs an extra space after the `<i>` for it to show correctly in the blu-ray PGS .sub output

PERSON: Hello. Hi.


(but not the very first `GANDALF: <i>You cannot pass!...` in TTT for ?reasons?)

## Thanks to Sources
_"If everyone stands on top of everyone else's shoulders, we get really high without needing to find a ladder." - Isaac Fignewton_

### FOTR
LeithioiPhilinn on Subscene

FUNKSW on Subscene

elvish.org's translations

arwen-undomiel.com's translations

### TTT
LeithioiPhilinn on Subscene, Dietrich from before that

elvish.org's translations

arwen-undomiel.com's translations

### ROTK
LeithioiPhilinn on Subscene, Galadhorn and peeps on elvish.org from before that

elvish.org's translations

arwen-undomiel.com's translations

tolkiengateway.net's quote and context

### Black Speech
folk.uib.no's list

elvish.org's translations

genekellyjr / LOTR-Subs

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