Can you stop polluting Github?

[cicku]

Github is being used by numerous programmers in China, if China blocks Github again, I don't know if the reason is here or whatsoever. Most of programmers are not willing to see github gets blocked again because of some censored contents hosting on Github.

I hope you can consider this seriously. If you want to spread information, please find a better place, better for some on your own risk services, but not Github, which is important for people. And github is never designed to be a place of such things. We want coding without politics or any unrelated things around, and we don't want to setup a proxy or tunnel to code just because someone tries to polluting the environment.

[greatfire]

Hi Cicku,

Thank you for your message. We do not want GitHub to get blocked. We know that GitHub is important to people and hope that the government respects this and does not block access.

In terms of finding a better place for spreading information, do you have any suggestions? －－－－ ［6月18日更新］楼主在2013年12月就提出了这个问题，但至今Github没有被封锁。反倒是Google所有服务被完全屏蔽。 GFW才是我们的共同敌人。

[cicku]

Sorry, dunno. But I know, our government never repects citizens. Extend to the Internet area, they are doing the same absolutely. So we can't say that we hope they not to block github, but should be we solicit for that. We are in the disadvantaged situation now, government has abundant reasons to block github and just leave a word "because of some censored things", and then many programmers will shout at you and squabble with you of whether these contents are allowed or not for github and blahblahblah etc. Once it gets blocked, people will vent their spleen on somewhere. Where this time? Last time it got blocked in February because of the scurry of train tickets, what about this time? Maybe many people like Kai-Fu Lee will criticize again, but I think our government is brazen(thicked-face). Besides these, why should we get attention by Chinese via this?

I know you are trying to let more people know the truth, but I don't think github is a proper place, and I think you know this fact, too. You move to github just because it's a last-ditch action. All places which can hold such contents and can be accessed by Chinese in mainland are the sites that needed by most of people for normal use, including github. So if you try to find a place which is not only used by few people but also not well-known in China, I think it's tough yet.

I maintain gfwlist now, I have to say I appreciate the info you've provided since long long ago. But I still have to file this issue because moving to github is risky forever in line with the current situation and attitude implied by Chinese government.

Thanks.

[v3aqb]

github hosts source code, not newsletter. stop the abuse.

[cjxgm]

Why not just make these stuffs on s3.amazonaws.com just like the other contents? Stop the abuse!

[notzhan]

Stop the abuse! github not a newsletter host!

[frankyaorenjie]

Stop the abuse! Github is a place for codes, not for things like this so-called project. Plz stop.

[hackgfw]

Anyone can use Github for whatever purpose as long as they comply with Github's terms of service, and I don't think this project violated Github's terms. It's greatfire's RIGHT to host this project on Github, and you can't infringe upon greatfire's rights for your own benefits. After all, it's GFW who may block Github, not greatfire.

[greatfire]

Our goal is not to get GitHub blocked. We are trying to expand the online freedom which I believe all of us who use GitHub want. We are working hard to end online censorship in China and we believe that this is possible. But it requires that we unite. Those of us who believe that having access to GitHub is a right, not a favour that can be cancelled any time, must work together. The more of us that use GitHub, the more of us make clear that we will not tolerate GitHub being blocked, the more difficult it will be for the government to block it. If those that suffer from online censorship are divided into different groups, blaming each other, then the censorship authorities will win. If we unite against the censorship that we all disagree with, we can win.

[xavierzhao]

封了再翻墙呗

[zhangchn]

The more of us that use GitHub, the more of us make clear that we will not tolerate GitHub being blocked, the more difficult it will be for the government to block it.

IMHO, this would work only in your naive fantasy.

The censorship authorities just win regardless of whether you come together or blame each other. Resistance is useless, but your behavior is obviously not something benign, and you would hold responsible for any collateral damages. If you failed to understand this point, click this: http://xkcd.com/1357/

[lichunqiang]

都是中国人为啥不用中文交流 - -！ 真费劲

[xavierzhao]

哈哈，那样比较有范

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[nyfair]

这种事情让轮子和民运那帮该负责的人干，你们那么起劲干什么

[kumakichi]

如果有一天sourceforge，github，bitbucket都被墙了

[yyang-24]

墙终有一天会倒掉

[RickyLin]

如果这不违反 GitHub 的条款，我觉得这是 GitHub 条款的漏洞。我理解作者的想法，我也非常痛恨这座墙，但我同时也觉得，大部分需要科学上网的人都各有各的科学上网的方法，不需要在GitHub 这样的地方作为一个页面总结出来。来访问这里的人大部分都是会编程的人，但有多少会编程的人不会科学上网的？

[nyfair]

LS诸位，大多数人可没你这们这般有见地，没有墙的后果请参考今日利比亚

[yyang-24]

你在搞笑？墙不倒，如何开民智？

[v3aqb]

中国人最擅长的就是禁止别人学习

[nyfair]

整个地球都这样，没必要下降到国家层面，先弄个反例出来再来讨论民智吧

[yyang-24]

你这是在认为不该开民智，还是在认为TG会去开民智？

[nyfair]

无所谓，如您这种有见地的自己会开，没心思的大众还是不要给人刻意填充了，不愿深入思考的人太容易被利用

[muyexi]

If you don't want to fight, fine, but don't stop others from fighting.

[nyfair]

I agree with you, but who are the "others"? Anyway, stop the abuse first!

[muyexi]

After reread what cicku said, I think it makes sense. But still I can't blame greatfire, bacause he is fighting for us. He didn't pollute anything, it's the totalitarian which is polluting everything everyday.

[wenketel]

(￣▽￣") 远古巨坟又被挖了 因为谷歌全面被墙么？

[0yeziahehe]

哈哈，最近谷歌抽风，正好看到这个，神器啊。。。

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[yyang-24]

想了会儿，还是说下，这不是谷歌抽风，是GFW把谷歌的几乎所有服务都墙了。 GFW的目的就是让我们认为这是谷歌的问题，而放弃使用谷歌。

[nyfair]

比起某些人津津乐道的事件，棱镜门也一周年了，google不遵守当地法律当然是它自己的问题

[fanchangyong]

自我审查？还觉得自己有理.

[michalliu]

github是放代码的地方，这么做是不太合适

[xavierzhao]

各位让贴沉了吧，不要刷邮件了。。。

[Sylvanasse]

这是末世的开端！！

[lichunqiang]

已经unsubscribe

[fengmk2]

github被墙, 也不会是因为这个 wiki 的存在吧...

[samniu]

Google 错了，还是翻墙错了？ 这是前提。

[july-12]

就算知道这个前提我们又能怎样， 如果是google错了， 那它为什么要犯这个错，如果是国家错了，那也要同问？

[yyang-24]

这是个技术开源项目，很有研究价值的。

[est]

人性就是这样，敌人都开始大规模屠杀了，这里的smart-ass和道德君子还在讨论谁对谁错。

[yyang-24]

ls的，在TG需要引导舆论时，有很多这种人，俗称理中客。

[xiemeilong]

常上github的中国人应该都会翻墙吧，还怕再多翻一个网站？装良民保住一个网站好，还是直接把墙翻了好？

[Sylvanasse]

理中客？ 应该叫五毛才对吧。我印象中五毛都是极其臭不要脸的。

[BruceZu]

这里github 换个地方argue吧

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[chemdemo]

1、代码托管到github的项目，都尽量不要触及相关部门的神经吧 2、github已有的项目，重要的尽量做好backup，毕竟我们不能保证所有人都做到第一条，更不确定我们的ZF会在哪一天以**为由封锁github

[tanchongshi]

I just want to say you programmer is one of the highest IQ groups in this country

[irwinai]

这就是电视里经常放的，某个美女被恶少调戏，然后有人见义勇为，救了姑娘，结果旁边人说 你这样做不对啊，这个姑娘的下场会更惨，你这是害人啊 然后，看电视人人都觉得这岂不是荒天下之大谬 呵呵，看看楼上的那些面目

[nyfair]

然后过两年来个反转发现那是绿茶婊？ 呵呵，看看楼上的那些面目

[yyang-24]

已将楼上那货屏蔽。

[Sylvanasse]

我最讨厌五毛或者自干五，对人生命漠视，一点底线都没有。他们级别比警察低，大多是通过考公务员招上去的，到了岗位上才知道自己成了五毛，工资比正规警察低一级，有的甚至是从监狱里聘用。和现实朋友从来不敢说自己是五毛，你在他面前说五毛俩字，就好像在太监面前谈论性生活，他脸立马拉下来了。邓小平曾说毛泽东三分功七分过，我怎么觉得他连三分功都没有。就像一个屠夫盖了一个猪圈，把不听话的人都杀掉了，剩下的觉得自己生活在猪圈很幸福。有的人在猪圈生活久了，从里到外都有猪的特征了，他们就是我眼里的支那种。有的人还保存着人性的光辉倒明白周围是什么，不甘心也没办法，他们在默默的等待着。这个项目就算被删，TG难道会解除对github的屏蔽，我看不见得。

[irwinai]

Sylvanasse 说得好，鲁迅先生说的劣根性一点都没错