Project abandoned

[guysoft]

Hey all, It seems like @hooram has not responded in months. I have no clue how most of the code works. So I think we should declare that on the main page unless @hooram disagrees.

[dennorske]

That is quite sad, if that is the reality. Instead of declaring it anything, we can instead inform that there are no regular updates at the moment. The project is such a great idea and cool thing for the self-hosting community, and if this was improved bit by bit in the long run, it could potentially turn out quite big and very usable.

Can someone else with knowledge carry on with a fork of it, or something? I wish I could contribute somehow.

[guysoft]

@dennorske I totally agree. But I don't have the scope to take it all on, I would love to help on if there is anyone on board, and there seems to be quite a lot of call of it. Personally I'd crowed fund it to be maintained regularly. But at the moment I only see bug reports piling up, and I thing that announcing it might push people to action.

[dennorske]

understand that you can't cope with it alone and that it is a big project. What if someone/you went ahead on r/selfhosted and wrote a little article explaining the situation and that it has big potential - and that help is needed? I bet most users don't know this, and I am fairly sure there are some smart people out there willing to jump on. I'd be happy to contribute by testing and setting up docker-stuff for it, but thats about what I think I can do, besides some python.

[guysoft]

I am willing to do that. But it would help if @hooram also backs me on this. So I am giving it a while before writing up something like that. Since he usually took a week or so before his tracks vanished.

[TKaluza]

Would be great seeing here some progress! I love the idea!

[DigitalWarrior]

I am willing to help. I think with a group effort and mentality and @guysoft coordinating the team OwnPhotos can grow. Time for fresh blood and renewed effort as this project has such potential. Not to diss on @hooram but if he does not have the time or interest.

[DamonLane]

I agree, I've been hopefully checking on this project for many months. Given the self hosted version of google photos features, the suggested r/selfhosted announcement could also go on the privacy and de-google subs and other channels to draw in coders and funders. I also hope @hooram at least gives us their blessing if not getting back involved with more support. Does anyone know if any of the forks are already doing this?

[jab416171]

I'd also be able to help out, but like @guysoft said it's not a project I can take on entirely by myself.

[AmirSavand]

Oh god, I wish this issue never existed 😭.

I love to see where this is going, hope the community can keep it maintained.

Is there any working demo by anyone?

[Dakunier]

I found this project a few weeks ago, hope you can maintain it somehow.

Good Luck ;)

[phantomtypist]

Hi there everyone!

This project looks really good and the code base is nice. It's a shame to let it wither away after all the hard work put in by the contributors.

Over time I have come to terms with being a necromammer (necromancer programmer). Has anyone tried physically contacting @hooram yet outside of Github?

We should try to reach out to Hooram and see if he is still alive. If we reach him we should discuss transferring the repo. The last thing you want to do for a project like this is fork it with the same name as it will just cause confusion later down the road.

[DigitalWarrior]

Several of us have reached out. Next steps are in progress.

[phantomtypist]

I made contact with two of his friends. They have contacted him.

[guysoft]

@phantomtypist Any news?

[phantomtypist]

No, but I'll follow up with the two of his friends I made contact with. FWIW his employer on LinkedIn said he didn't work there anymore.

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[phantomtypist]

Make it a Github organization and put us under it. Enforce 2FA auth.

[DigitalWarrior]

I will do it tonight in approx 10 hrs. When I get home, unless anyone else speaks up before then with any other idea or has an issue with that direction.

[phantomtypist]

See what @guysoft has to say.

My personal thoughts are that, sadly, I guess it will have to come to this. @hooram doesn't appear to respond to his personal friends and he appears to have separated from his last employer noted on LinkedIn. If he hasn't passed on, then he certainly has dropped off the face of the digital world. There seems to be no way to tell if he's doing OK, but I hope he can get past whatever is going on in his life.

[DigitalWarrior]

Yes, the latest I could find a digital fingerprint for him was 2 months ago on reddit. I hope all is well with him.

[isleshocky77]

I'm not 100% on board for changing the name of the project. I get where you're saying there can be some issues with a fork without changing the name; however, I personally think there is more confusion with a fork and a different name.

I feel it's better to keep the same name, put it in an organization with multiple contributors, and update the README and description of the project to point out very clearly what is going on, why there is a fork, how to contribute, and how to check for the latest updates.

The insights and network graph should very clear to people how the project was forked and which is the latest and correct project to use.

[phantomtypist]

I actually just realized a week or so ago I pre-created the https://github.com/ownphotos organization.

¯\(ツ)/¯

Let's take a vote over the next couple of days.

All in favor of 1) keeping the same project name (to avoid confusion) and 2) fork this repo to the new OwnPhotos Github organization?

@hooram, if you ever get passed whatever is going on in your life you'll be more than welcome to come back to help out with the project under the new org. Godspeed buddy.

[yourphotos]

2. As it will cut down on confusion on the repo. If @hooram comes back of course he is welcome and could point at yourphotos.

[F1orian]

I'm voting for option 1.) and for forking this repo to the new ownphotos organization I think changing the name just causes unnecessary confusion, and I like the name ownphotos better than yourphotos

[phantomtypist]

@F1orian this is why I am trying to track down Hooram because forking, let alone renaming, is the worst possible path you can go in situations like this.

[yourphotos]

@phantomtypist what is your preferd chat medium?

[Elektroman2]

I'm voting for option 1.) and for forking this repo to the new ownphotos organization I think changing the name just causes unnecessary confusion, and I like the name ownphotos better than yourphotos

If me as an outsider, can mention i would recommend a renaming with a trivial name, like Ownphotos_ng (next gen) or Ownphotos2 or Ownphotos_improved or somethong like that.But hopefully the original developer will appear 🙂 Regards, Marcell

[jab416171]

I don't think we should rename, but we could do what happened with ownCloud/Nextcloud and call it nextphotos :)

Can you add me as a collaborator to the new org?

[alorimer]

It's a real shame that @hooram has abandoned this project which he obviously worked so hard on, but I'm glad to see there's still lots of interest and potential for this to be revived.

I agree with @F1orian and don't think it's worth renaming it. Two concurrent versions of a project definitely should have different names, but that's not the case here - there is really no reason to change the name other than the technical issues of continuing this repository. However, it may be useful to add some identifier to the new repo name to distinguish it from this one, as @Elektroman2 said. I also just like the name "OwnPhotos" and don't see any reason to change it.

[DamonLane]

I'd also vote to keep the same name, with clear description of the lineage.

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It's a real shame that @hooram has abandoned this project which he obviously worked so hard on, but I'm glad to see there's still lots of interest and potential for this to be revived.

I agree with @F1orian and don't think it's worth renaming it. Two concurrent versions of a project definitely should have different names, but that's not the case here - there is really no reason to change the name other than the technical issues of continuing this repository. However, it may be useful to add some identifier to the new repo name to distinguish it from this one, as @Elektroman2 said. I also just like the name "OwnPhotos" and don't see any reason to change it.

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[TKaluza]

I'd also vote to keep the same, with clear description of the lineage.

[dennorske]

I agree keeping the name and making it clear that it has forked - and possibly a little note why it was done. I am not familiar with if someone has write access to the readme or so but everything could just be put nicely there.

I wish you all good luck with that and I appreciate that there are people willing to work on the project! Let's just cross our fingers that hooram is doing alright.

[guysoft]

I would vote changing the name. I think parts of the code are going to go though heavy changes and break some compatibility for the project to mature. The name change could help distinguish that. Also there is a license issue. Although it seems not too likely, the name "OwnPhotos" belongs to @hooram , he could come at some point and legitimately claim that its his name and that we can't use it. Possibly not include it in any point in the software. As long as we don't have written permission its his copyright. As much as its a pain and should require coding changes. BTW "you photos" when searching reidrects to google photos "your photos" page. Not sure its good SEO choice. If we want to promote the FOSS side LibrePhotos seems free. But I am open to any name. I would love staying with the name, but only if @hooram gives us permission. Also - ownCloud GmbH might also complain later of if this project becomes wider spread.

[IamJeffG]

Given @hooram's silence thus far, I'd suggest to fork and keep the same name -- and if/when he comes back, if he has a problem with our fork sharing a name (my hope is that he'll be thrilled) then we can rename our fork in response.

[phantomtypist]

@IamJeffG that's actually the best response I've seen thus far.

I've talked to several people that each want to go their own way. I think it's fine if this fragments into several forks, along with one keeping the same name in case @hooram comes back. Some people want to take it in a different direction than others and that's OK.

As for forking with the same name, I think the best path forward for that one is to work on bug fixes, outstanding issues, and already planned new features. This way it keeps true to where Hooram left off. After that... just see where it goes.

[zlavallee]

Late to the party here, but I would be interested in helping out with some development. Whats the state of the new project repo? Seems like there are a bunch of forks, but I am not sure if any are being actively worked on.

[guysoft]

@zlavallee none of the forks to my knowledge have done any code changes. The frontend repo is a mess, no one will touch it.

[guysoft]

Actually @lizyeseul has been touching the frontend a little he doesn't speak English or how to work with git AFIK see: https://github.com/hooram/ownphotos-frontend/pull/40

[zlavallee]

@guysoft Thanks. Can I create a PR to this repo or the front end repo or is this specific repo completely dead?

[guysoft]

@zlavallee Make a PR anywhere you see something that can be improved, I can merge it AFAIK

[karthikiyengar]

Okay, I'd be keen to contribute. Can someone who has more experience with the project lay out a roadmap? What works, what doesn't, what needs improving and so on?

Also, I see no developments on the fork. Have we agreed to use it? Is there a Gitter or something equivalent where we can discuss the project?

[guysoft]

@karthikiyengar There has been no agreement and @hooram who is the only one who had a roadmap will not talk to anyone. So what ever you deicide is the roadmap. Since no one else will develop. I personally started helping photprism and wrote a RaspberryPi distro for them. I am not sure how to work with the current project unless its cleared up. There is lots of unstable stuff on the UI side of things.

[JeongJuhyeon]

Actually @lizyeseul has been touching the frontend a little he doesn't speak English or how to work with git AFIK see: hooram/ownphotos-frontend#40

I could translate/explain if that'd help.

[shmuelpro]

Is there any update on this? I would love to take part on the front-end side of things

[guysoft]

Nothing new, still stuck. Only know that @hooram requested not to talk to anyone.

[sinc59]

Hello, maybe we can fork the projet in the new ownphotos organization and made a list of 5 representative issue (frontend + backend + api).

This list might be the test of the new cooperation with volunters ? I'm okay to contribute with my modest knowledge on django backend and docker.

Who wants to come ?

[NobleWolf]

Hello, maybe we can fork the projet in the new ownphotos organization and made a list of 5 representative issue (frontend + backend + api).

This list might be the test of the new cooperation with volunters ? I'm okay to contribute with my modest knowledge on django backend and docker.

Who wants to come ?

I'm excited for this! Wish I had the skills to contribute.

[airfield20]

Hey guys, I'm interested in contributing new features to this project if allowed. I'm not well versed in Django or server management but I can help with image processing and AI features (photo rotation, resizing, cropping, face detection, object detection/annotation using YOLO, etc...). How do I help.

[phantomtypist]

@sinc59 @airfield20 @NobleWolf I'm going to make sure the most recent code is pulled to the new org and forked repos tonight. I'll also pull over most, maybe all, the outstanding issues.

As far as "where to go from here" after that... I think I'll create a new issue in the repo and we can have some initial discussions and prioritize what we want to do. If we want to do some informal chatting on Gitter we can do that too (I already set that up and I'll link to it in the future issue.)

[hialvaro]

Hey, Is this being continued finally? I see the new organization has no new activity. I really hope and wish this can be continued.

Maybe we could open a Matrix/IRC chat room to talk about this?

[ashishBharadwaj]

I would really like to contribute to this if its allowed? I think it's a great idea!