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A variant of NetHack that is designed to be a much more challenging experience than the original, drawing inspiration and content from various existing variants along with adding unique and never-before-seen custom content.
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Shadowblade evades grasp for non-Chaotics #173

Closed jkoudys closed 5 months ago

jkoudys commented 6 months ago

Does it make sense that an e.g. human neutral tourist should be unable to wield Shadowblade? They'd be able to wield Stormbringer with only the usual blast damage. Its partner in forging is Werebane, which is a basic unaligned artifact weapon. I could understand why a werecreature should have trouble with Shadowblade. I'm even getting blasted by it as a chaotic.

Forged artifacts tend to either retain the alignment and class of one/both the base items, or they become less restrictive (eg Tempest is unaligned from two neutral artifacts). It seems like an oversight that only one forged artifact could suddenly be unwieldable by someone who could wield both the base weapons.

Umbire commented 6 months ago

Shadowblade is intelligent and drow-favoring, so my wager is this causes alignment to come up for being able to carry it, as with quest artifacts.

loggersviii commented 6 months ago

The reason this happens is pretty straightforward: basically, it’s because Shadowblade is aligned with both an alignment (chaotic), and a race (Drow). It’s similar to how quest artifacts work. For example, if you’re a neutral wizard you will still get blasted by the orb of fate, and as a chaotic wizard you can’t pick it up. Its the same with shadowblade, if you have the same alignment as shadowblade but aren’t drow, you’ll get blasted, and if you aren’t chaotic or a drow, you can’t pick it up.

I think this is pretty lame, but just wanted to say why it was happening. I’d kind of like to see this changed, but it’s not my decision.

jkoudys commented 6 months ago

Makes sense. The most frustrating part wasn't not being able to use my helm of opposite alignment to sacrifice and get my dagger-toting tourist a good weapon, it was being a human rogue and getting blasted by the weapon that's basically the signature weapon of the rogue.

k21971 commented 6 months ago

When I made Shadowblade, the thought behind it was that it would be the signature weapon for a Drow Rogue specifically.

I'll play around with some changes and see what feels right.

k21971 commented 5 months ago

I had another long look at this. Initial intent will remain - if you're not chaotic, or a Drow, you won't be able to wield Shadowblade.