[Tropical Biome]Plants to add

[kaptain-kavern]

Plants
Fern 1,2,3	tall grass stats	Slow movement	Must be edible by herbivores
Palm01	tall grass stats	slow movement (like tall grass)	Must be edible by herbivores
Palm02	minyield: 4/ max: 22/ growth time: 12	HP: 120/ beauty: 1	__
Palm03	minyield: 6/ max: 32/ growth time: 18	HP: 210/ beauty: 1	__
Strangler Fig	minyield: 10/ max: 18/ growth time: 10	HP: 300/ beauty: 2
Mahogany Tree	minyield: 22/ max: 56/ growth time: 34	HP: 320/ beauty: 2
Rafflesia	bush stats	-15 beauty	__

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• [x] Fern (3 variations)
• [x] Palm (3 variations)
• [x] Mahogany Tree
• [x] Strangler Fig
• [x] Rafflesia

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Spreadsheet with all plants Data extracted from game files (for balancing values)

[lpCoercion]

For the plants, I will send a spreadsheet, but I was thinking the following:

Plants
Fern 1,2,3	tall grass stats	Slow movement	Must be edible by herbivores
Bromeliad	tall grass stats	slow movement (like tall grass)	Must be edible by herbivores
Palm01	tall grass stats	slow movement (like tall grass)	Must be edible by herbivores
Palm02	minyield: 4/ max: 22/ growth time: 12	HP: 120/ beauty: 1	__
Palm03	minyield: 6/ max: 32/ growth time: 18	HP: 210/ beauty: 1	__
Strangler Fig	minyield: 10/ max: 18/ growth time: 10	HP: 300/ beauty: 2
Mahogany Tree	minyield: 22/ max: 56/ growth time: 34	HP: 320/ beauty: 2
Bamboo	bush stats	beauty: 0	I still struggle to make the Panda eating specifically it
Taro	minyield: 2/ max: 6/ growth time: 2	HP: 100/ beauty: 0	Must drop edible Taro root
Rafflesia	bush stats	-15 beauty	I wish we could find something positive to balance the beauty debuff : ?maybe drug/medicine ingredients?
Coffee	minyield: 6/ max: 10	growth time: 3/ HP: 120/ beauty: -1	Must drop drug-like coffee ingredient

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_Edit: Just updated your comment for doing a table with it and add my thoughts in _italic__

[kaptain-kavern]

What the min/max value means in this context please?

Edit : Oh maybe their lifespan?

[lpCoercion]

min/max is resource drop (e.g. wood, food, etc.)

I do not think that these palms should drop coconuts so that it is balanced... but we could add a rarer palm that drops coconuts.

I will add lifespans.

I will think about a positive for the rafflesia.

[kaptain-kavern]

Ok doke

[lpCoercion]

I think we should leave the rafflesia with just the debuff. It adds something different; adds another challenge; its a rare spawn; doesnt reward the player and is instead makes the player prioritize the debuff

[kaptain-kavern]

I was thinking of a way to "force" the player to deal with the debuff bonus :p but hey no problem we have more important things to focus to :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

[kaptain-kavern]

Have you planned on doing Leafless version of your new plants? Because on Vanilla there is, for plants and trees.

Plant	"normal"	leafless
Oak
Oak
Bush

Not urgent IMHO, I think I only see them in game when plants die from cold

[kaptain-kavern]

Also added link to a Spreadsheet with all plants Data extracted from game files (for balancing values)

[lpCoercion]

Yeah I agree. Trees wont lose leaves in the rainforest.

and cool. I will work on plant values

[lpCoercion]

I should be able to work on a lot of textures tomorrow :)

I have a few more plants that I want to add for variety and color:

Coconut Palm: Coconuts (edible) Banana Tree: Bananas (edible) Heliconia: (tall grass stats/ 3 beauty)

[kaptain-kavern]

Oh cool, now that the mod is called "Overhaul" it's good we add more :p

I'm not sure I can make the Coconut drop two different resources, I will have to test :wink:

[lpCoercion]

Strangler Fig

Mahogany

Taro

[kaptain-kavern]

All in (on my PC, will upload soon)

[lpCoercion]

Banana

Rafflesia

Bromeliad

[lpCoercion]

I removed lemongrass...

I think we should remove coffea too... it may not look right with the other plants.. what are your thoughts?

[kaptain-kavern]

I'm actually adding those three.

I've notice that the files you post have not all the same size. Is that intended ? I mean did you do it on purpose regarding to sizes intended for plants or trees? I don't know if that mean anything but Vanilla textures are all 64x64, 128x128 or 256x256 apparently

[kaptain-kavern]

About lemongrass and coffee I don't see reasons for removing them, but I'm all for adding a lot of plants and animals, but hey i'm not the one that need to draw ;) Maybe you have things in mind I don't see/know and need to remove them

[lpCoercion]

Well I can come back to them last and see how we can tie them into everything.

and kind of. I have been using 64x64 for small stuff and 128x128 for larger things

[kaptain-kavern]

Ok because I had some with something like 77*77 (for Taro Roots and plants IIRC).

On another subject : https://github.com/kaptain-kavern/EcosystemOverhaul/commit/6a5273b4c6a354f1b68faa8169624106b307b139 - I just uploaded the last version with all the new plants. I use a free .png find on the web for the Banana Fruit.

I'm not satisfied yet on how plants ratio are balanced when the game is running (too much Rafflesia, not enough Bromeliad etc) but it just a matter of heavily testing while changing values ;)

Here is a screenshot. Those damn Rafflesias, i can't managed to make them pop alone (they always are in groups, i'm still searching ^^ )

[lpCoercion]

It is looking great :)

do you need me to fix the size of those plants?

I will get you the: Bromeliad02, Heliconia, Bamboo, Coconut Palm, Coconut Edible and Banana Edible next

and then start working on the animals

Once we have all of the plants in and the weather figured out, I will work on matching/adjusting the plant colors (e.g. I may make the Mahogany and Palm trunks darker to match the Strangler Fig).

[lpCoercion]

btw.. palm02 is too small

[kaptain-kavern]

All right mate. Fine by me.

I'm pretty sure that my screenshots have messed-up colors one time out of two (I'm using a software to auto post on Imgur and I think it is the culprit) so please be sure to try this on your PC before taking decision about the colors ;).

Ok doke for the palm02.
I'll try to change from

<visualSizeRange>
        <min>0.5</min>
        <max>0.9</max>
</visualSizeRange>

to

<visualSizeRange>
        <min>0.8</min>
        <max>1.2</max>
</visualSizeRange>

[lpCoercion]

alright cool :) I dont mind the bright colors.

I will take a look at the palm size.

any luck with the weather?

[lpCoercion]

also, is it possible to add the vanilla rice plant as a wild plant in the rainforest?

[kaptain-kavern]

yeah I was thinking the same about smokeleaf (marijuana) and I envisaged rice too and cotton. We are kinda synchronized hehe :p

So yes it's possible I started to do it yesterday. We "just" have to redefine the plant def in our mods and adding the correct .

[lpCoercion]

I thought about smokeleaf too, but I think it grows wild more in a lowland middle eastern climate instead of the rainforest.

I dont think we should add cotton, because it may be hard to balanace gameplay and also may be slightly off climate wise.

I did also think about healroot, but that may also be unbalanced... and is a made up plant.

[kaptain-kavern]

Screenshot from my previous try

[lpCoercion]

thos look really good :)

What are your thoughts on adding psycoid plant? would it fit in the rainforest? I dont know the description of it.

[kaptain-kavern]

To me Psycoid plants in game are inspired by Coca plant. And Wikipedia says " well adapted to the eastern Andes of Peru and Bolivia, an area of humid, tropical, montane forest." So to me it's OK ^^

[lpCoercion]

alright cool lets add that too.. how are the uploads coming? just waiting on textures?

[kaptain-kavern]

Nearly yes. I just had the pleasure to be granted with a tamed Gorilla for start in my last play ^^ Too bad they're ugly for now :monkey_face:

I'm currently testing (by trying to play for real with our mod and some others) and adjusting values as I play. I find the repartition of plants in the wild more balanced now (maybe still too much taro - see picture lower), animals too . I now focus my attention a bit on plants value in term of nutrition, growing speed and all of that :stuck_out_tongue:

[lpCoercion]

Looks awesome :)

We probably want a fast growing speed due to the nature of the rainforest.

[lpCoercion]

I should have the rest of the plants and edibles to you tonight: Heliconia, Coconut Palm, Coffea, Coconuts, Bananas, Coffee Beans

After that I may rebalance some of the plant art. mainly:

All Trees: Add ferns around bases Mahogany Tree (darker trunks, bolder trunk outline, brighter leaves, more detailed roots) Palm Tree (more brown in trunks) Bromeliad: different green (more saturated green)

[kaptain-kavern]

Awesome! I start with their codes now then ;)

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If I may suggest to also do something about the taro roots (not urgent matter too). They are so small that they are hard to distinguish on floors (even worse on forest floors) couldn't you add a black outline or draw them bigger or draw several in a box/bag/crate (like with vanilla harvested raw food?) or something else (i'm clueless when it's about drawing sorry) Some inspirations

[lpCoercion]

Yea. I hadnt seen them in game so I wasnt sure how they would look but ill figure something out :)

[lpCoercion]

is there a way to make it so the plants dont sway? or at least move a lot less?

[lpCoercion]

also, are you able to try and make the plants a little bit bigger... so like trees are huge and ferns kind of overlap a bit? This may help reduce the dirt a bit :)

[lpCoercion]

I made some changes to the plants to better fill out the dead space of the jungle and match the color palette:

Palm Tree 02

Palm Tree 03

Mahogany Tree

Strangler Fig

[lpCoercion]

also, a new Taro Plant to replace:

[kaptain-kavern]

OMG even more awesome! gratz buddy So i will implement them right now.

About the plants swaying : I really don't know if it's possible (XML wise). I will look into that.

About plant sizes : you want me to make all of them bigger or only the trees ?

[lpCoercion]

plants swaying: i dont think it really matters now that I think about it... the effect makes me nausous but there is an option in game to turn it off lol

I think all of the plants should be bigger. The trees should feel really big...if we can pull it off... and the ferns should be big enough to cover some more dirt. but let me know what you think

[kaptain-kavern]

Would you want me to also keep the old plant graphics? That way the game will randomly use both graphics ? (like it's done for Ferns)

Ok doke I will make all of them bigger, it's in the code using tag

[lpCoercion]

no. we should replace them. i can edit these later if ee want more variety

[kaptain-kavern]

All right

[lpCoercion]

I tried to replace the textures on Github, but it keeps reverting back to the old upload.

[lpCoercion]

I just made smokeleaf, cotton, healroot and psychoid a lot less common. So, you may only see a few during a playthrough.

I may also add more plants to their graphics like I did for the above.

[lpCoercion]

Lemongrass

Lemongrass Edible

[lpCoercion]

Bamboo

[lpCoercion]

Coconut Palm

[lpCoercion]

Coffea