[Tropical Biome]Plants to add

[kaptain-kavern]

Plants
Fern 1,2,3	tall grass stats	Slow movement	Must be edible by herbivores
Palm01	tall grass stats	slow movement (like tall grass)	Must be edible by herbivores
Palm02	minyield: 4/ max: 22/ growth time: 12	HP: 120/ beauty: 1	__
Palm03	minyield: 6/ max: 32/ growth time: 18	HP: 210/ beauty: 1	__
Strangler Fig	minyield: 10/ max: 18/ growth time: 10	HP: 300/ beauty: 2
Mahogany Tree	minyield: 22/ max: 56/ growth time: 34	HP: 320/ beauty: 2
Rafflesia	bush stats	-15 beauty	__

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• [x] Fern (3 variations)
• [x] Palm (3 variations)
• [x] Mahogany Tree
• [x] Strangler Fig
• [x] Rafflesia

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Spreadsheet with all plants Data extracted from game files (for balancing values)

[lpCoercion]

Tree Stump

Beehive

Honeycomb

Also, can you replace potted Heliconia with this texuture (the old one is not in the pot).

[lpCoercion]

I hope your feeling better :)

I was wondering if you could add the tree stump in the same way that the beehive will be added. It would have the same stats as a strangler fig but produce a lot less wood and be very rare. this would add some more diversity. it could show up in game as "tree (dead)" .

[lpCoercion]

apiary

We will have to see how it looks in game. I can make edits if needed. The apiary would only be available by farming. It would be "sowed" and "harvested" the same way any other plant would be. We can lock it behind research (beekeeping)

[lpCoercion]

I had an idea for "Kava" and "Kava Root"

Kava Root would produce effects similar to beer and can be synthesized at a drug lab to make Neutroamine

[kaptain-kavern]

So now about here ^^ :

• Beehives are in place and are working (we may want to heavily test about yielding value and time to grow and such)
• I replaced potted Heliconia texture
• I haven't added the tree stumps as "dead tree" but i like it and it will not be a problem
• I like the tiny apiary ! I will work on adding it this night. I wonder how it will look inside a crop between "real plants"
• Okey Dokey for the Kava and root. Do we keep the Neutroamine crafting apart in the "F&D Pack" ?

[lpCoercion]

As discussed, "kava plant" and "kava root" will not be replaced with "dream vine" and "dream root"

Since we are putting the CK - F&D Pack on hold, a bill to turn dream root into neutroamine will need to be added to the drug lab in the main mod.

These are the updated textures:

dream vine:

dream root:

I also want to retexture the taro plants with the following art:

[kaptain-kavern]

About taro texture : Should I completely remove the other? or do we keep it for them to be randomly displayed?

And also I noticed the picture's size is bigger. As is it will look bigger in game, have you got particular ideas/instructions on the displayed size?

edit:
In fact without touching the code I find they look well :

And here it is with both Taro texture : for you to see how they mix :

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I know I keep saying it : but again I love the new arts! Very much like the "hand draw" style (I don't know the right words) I find it "fresh" but looking real, less "polished"/plastic/clean to my eyes than vanilla style

[lpCoercion]

thanks :)

my thought was to make them 128x128 and replace the other texture in game. that way it will cover more dirt and look less mechanically placed.

we could keep them the default size (as shown above) for crops though?

maybe you could take a screenshot of the bigger size so we can cimpare them side by side?

either way, I think we should completely replace the original texture though.

What are your thoughts?

[kaptain-kavern]

Oh right I understand why bigger then.

As it is done ATM, wild and cultivated one are displayed the same. I will make the wild ones bigger and make another screenshot. (here is a bigger one, the wild, up left - I kept the battery to help appreciate the size better) I think we should only keep the new one, also.

About looking less "artificial", I know it is more works for you, but it is possible to use several textures for the same plant and the game will randomly display them. But it's not a priority I think :-p

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Here are the Apiaries :

[lpCoercion]

awesome :)

the apiaries look good in that screenshot. how do they look in game?

[kaptain-kavern]

I posted this one on the forum :

I thought about their size. I was thinking they will look way too big and all that, but after seeing them in game (and despite the fact I completely know and see they're bigger than realist size) i find them quite good like that. But hey it's you the artist ;) you have the eye :p

[lpCoercion]

oh ok. well we can always change it in the future

[kaptain-kavern]

Need your thought on the Dream Vine

About how their size? How tall they're supposed to be ? more like a bush? Wild Dream Vine (too small don't you think?)

Cultivated one (a bit bigger but still to small)

[lpCoercion]

2i think the second picture looks good (about the size of an okapi).

I can create another texture for the cultivated version. dont let that hold up the release rhough. we can just use the one texture for both the wild and crop version for noq amd. then we can push out a quick release to add another texture for crops

[kaptain-kavern]

All right then. In the biomedef I set the wild dream vines to "0.2" regarding commonalities for now.

sounds good.

The raw dream root should induce 'Alcohol effect/drunk' like beers, but less strong, right ?

yeah.

Also can the root be used as cooking ingredient as well? (I was wondering about that for the raw coffee too - It could force the player to have to choose between : reserve it for the "chemical"/induced" effect OR use it as cooking ingredient - by forbid or not in recipes/stockpiles settings).

I like this idea. They can be used as raw ingredients for meals too.

I'm not exactly sure on the detail for the Neutroamine crafting. It should be expensive right? like 10/15 roots for 1 neutroamine? We can also plays with the harvested amount by plants, duration of crafting process and such for balancing the difficulty

sounds good to me. maybe start with 10 per neutro.. duration could be a bit longer than medicine crafting?

[lpCoercion]

I commented in your post above. I like all the ideas.

[kaptain-kavern]

Then it's nearly the end ^^ :wine_glass: All is done, I'm just finishing the Neutroamine crafting recipe ATM (do we want a mini skill required for it?). And the all thing will needs a bit of testing I'd say :wink:

If you put this recipe in? do we add another one for the raw coffee to be of a purpose BTW?

And, last question, do you have a Bongo texture I've missed? For know they are still displayed as big gazelle

[lpCoercion]

neutromine should maybe need a skill of 8 or 10? thoughts?

i think we should wait on adding a coffee recipe and just have coffee beans either be eaten raw as a drug or used in cooking as a raw plant.

no bongo yet. just remove it from game until i get the texture done.

[kaptain-kavern]

As it is now, the recipe require a level 10 in cooking, tell me if I change.

Okey dokey for the coffee cups recipe (Coffee beans are already working like that, right now) and I remove/comment the Bongos code

[lpCoercion]

should the recipe require 10 craft? isnt craft what all the drugs use?

[kaptain-kavern]

I just checked in game an for crafting all drugs there is no skill requirement at all and the working skill is <workSkill>Crafting</workSkill>. It's just for crafting medecine that there is a requirement of 3 in crafting and 6 in medecine.

As a trade of i've set the requirement to be

<skillRequirements>
      <li>
        <skill>Cooking</skill>
        <minLevel>3</minLevel>
      </li>
      <li>
        <skill>Medicine</skill>
        <minLevel>6</minLevel>
      </li>
</skillRequirements>

[kaptain-kavern]

I also have made little improvements while at it ^^

QoL improvement

• Coffee Beans and Dream Vine Root can be schedule like drugs (Can be used anyhow but at first I was thinking like : Take 1 shot of coffee everyday at 17H, per example; OR the possibility to just add Dream Vine Roots in "Social Drugs" as Alcohol)
• RawCoffee effect is now more noticeable by the player (added a label in Health Tab + a "Thought" in mood panel)
• Add in game display : "XXXX take Coffee Beans"/"XXXX is taking Dream Vine Roots

More screenshots : /

[lpCoercion]

awesome:)

some thoights:

• can we make the requirement craft instead of cooking? that way it allows crafters who make drugs to do it. maybe the craft skill should be higher though? maybe craft 6? aso should the medicine requirement be removed since neutro is used for other drugs too?
• the mood descriptiom should say: "Those coffee beans... tastes like s%$#, but man are they strong." If you dont like that I can rewrite it but the original grammar is wrong.
• maybe instead of "taking" coffee beans it says "ingesting"? taking sounds like hauling to me

[lpCoercion]

also. maybe you are right and we should add the coffee recipe to the drug lab to remove the taste debuff of coffee beans?

[lpCoercion]

I noticed that the research for beekeeping is 500. is there an advantage to apiarys over other crops that makes it require a long research?

[kaptain-kavern]

Oh you know I kinda put that number like that. I'm afraid all the plants need a real long thinking and balancing in fact ^^
I mean, we "just" add them as ideas came but I never take some times to consider all as a whole and compare them between each other, etc...

In order to be able to say which should yield better, with which soil quality importance, those kind of things.

Per example, I think trees (and in a way apiaries also) should take longer to grow but in exchange should yield better than short time plants.

But for all this it's always the same we need Vanilla data I think.
I will put a table together with that (I particularly want yielding/day, etc); so we can balance ours on par with vanilla; and we will talk about it again :wink: (I have started the wiki a bit - will put the data there)

[lpCoercion]

sounds good

do you have link to the wiki?

[kaptain-kavern]

Here it is

[lpCoercion]

thanks :)

[kaptain-kavern]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IueAG4N5ulB17FPA0xi046MSpyOFSH53InqRNF2yrEg/edit?usp=sharing

I send you an invit' for the spreadsheet

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I haven't changed any value. just by looking at the yellow column you can see what I was afraid of, it is clearly not balanced ^^ Nothing is matching Vanilla value pattern.

Please experiment with the numbers to see how you feel it. (Yellow columns are automatically computed). I will do the same.

The way I see we have to "play" with harvestYield, growDays and the price of the fruits/harvested item (price per unit)

fertility Factor Growth Rate could serve as a added bonus/malus for balancing a bit more. I understand it as : "the way soil-quality impact the growing time of the plant"

[lpCoercion]

cool :) I will work on it now

should do another one for animals too

[kaptain-kavern]

I completely finish the spreadsheet, for cultivated and wild plants. I will make a copy (for backup) and will play with numbers a bit, and come back at you with my thoughts

[lpCoercion]

oh ok cool :)

[kaptain-kavern]

So here are my first thoughts after some thinking on the cultivated plants (only) :

label	old yielding	proposed new yielding	old \	proposed new \	old \	proposed new \
taro	10	10	4	3,5	None	None
lemongrass	10	7	3	2,5	None	None
dream vine	6	10	6,84	6,84	8	6
coffea bush	30	10	5,5	5	None	4
apiary	40	60	25	25	None	7
coconut palm tree	10	45	18	18	None	5
banana tree	12	50	17	17	None	5

• taro : Slightly reduced <growDays> to be just better than Potato and reduced <fertilityFactorGrowthRate> to compensate
• lemongrass : Slightly reduced <growDays> to be just better than Rice and reduced <fertilityFactorGrowthRate> to compensate
• dream vine : Reduced min skill requirement and increased yielding; to be on par with Psychoid plant
• coffea bush : Adding Min skill requirement of 4 and reduced yielding; to be on par with Smokeleaf plants - Also need to reduce the price of coffee beans (with the previous stat it was netting 25 silver per tile a day)
• apiary : Increased yielding even more (not a problem because of the long growing time) and reduced price of honeycomb - I also find/feel it need to have a min skill Requirement, choose 7 like for hop plant
• coconut palm tree : Increased yielding vastly to compensate the long growing time.
• banana tree : Increased yielding vastly to compensate the long growing time.

Here is the link to the spreadsheet with the corrected values : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bsh-yRx2iG3FNABDx0ekxuFC_i_kol0sowsNY9d43Ok/edit?usp=sharing

I have only done the cultivated plants one, for now

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What do you think ?

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[lpCoercion]

a couple things:

• we reduced the banana yield to 12 before because wild food was too common. not sure if that is still the case?
• will pawns need the min sow skill to harvest wild plants? if so, we may want to remove it from the tropical food plants (banana & coconut)

also, should honeycomb give a small mood buff to compensate for the time and research req?

[kaptain-kavern]

All the changes I proposed were just for cultivated plants only. I don't find too strange that cultivated species could yield more than wild ones, we could say the cultivated one is the result of selection.

I'm pretty sure the min skill requirement are for crop plants only but as we have made them use two separate sets of code, I can have different settings for both version.

will continue this post later - no battery left on phone :-)

[lpCoercion]

oh ok i like it for crops only then :)

could include this in v1.3.1

[kaptain-kavern]

I just checked for honeycomb and yes they behave exactly as insect Jelly.

Okey dokey so I will make so change for cultivated ones then. And if I managed to not fall asleep I will look out for balancing the wild ones ;-)

[lpCoercion]

oh ok cool :)

I was also given the suggestion to make jungle plants less flammable than others because they are so wet. I think it makes sense.

[lpCoercion]

Coffea (crop)

Dream Vine (crop)

[kaptain-kavern]

They're nice! I very like how the flower color seems to be more visible on the cropped Dream Vine.

Also added. I may try to add them for being randomly displayed, alternatively with the ones already in, for the wild ones. For testing only, doing a screenshot and show you

[lpCoercion]

looks good :)

[lpCoercion]

jitter berries

[kaptain-kavern]

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[lpCoercion]

looks good :)