letsgetrandy / DICSS

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http://letsgetrandy.github.io/DICSS/
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You guys seem to think this is funny. #15

Closed marshallNorman closed 9 years ago

marshallNorman commented 9 years ago

But it's really not. It's harmful to the developer community. Pretty sure Git will end up removing this fake user, but you should do it yourself like a real grown up.

thereals0beit commented 9 years ago

Well this conversation got a lot stupider than i'd ever envisioned, but since I'm part of the thread already

@kbradsha you argue badly and should probably just stop

@gaearon First, of all the things on the internet to be worried of your parents and friends seeing, this repo and this joke is probably on the short list of things that don't even register somewhere in between completely innocuous and everything else.

You're correct that @kbradsha is wrong about 'freedom of speech', and though he/she whatever isn't arguing it effectively, that doesn't mean the sentiment is incorrect. You're offended, and that's just super, but the push to shut down and push out people and ideas that offend you doesn't make you some sort of noble figure, it makes you one of the DICSS.

@marshallNorman @maxlapides @gaearon

When a bad joke is a bad joke, feel free to say so. Understand though, that for one thing, what is funny is an entirely subjective and for another, that the world could not possibly cater to the whims of every offended person nor should it cater to your specific whims for that reason.

Even assuming the world was a place like that, taking jokes out of context or attributing them to some class of people, as if this is a joke about "sexual violence" stated above or that somehow the nature of this joke is implicitly unfunny to women, minorities is absolutely insane. You can't speak for them, you can only speak for you. People take offense, offense isn't implicitly given.

The amount of cultural guilt it requires to become this upset about a dumb joke really speaks more about you than it does about the author of this repo. People in tech are absolutely terrified that the industry is overwhelmingly male and white, due to implications by other that the entire industry is sexist, that they will seemingly become up in arms about anything in an attempt to assure people they are a good person or that the tech industry isn't "all bad", when people who take offense over things that wouldn't upset a 3rd grader are the people they're trying to appease.

It doesn't make for a healthy community.

joncampbell123 commented 9 years ago

There really isn't anything stopping women from learning to code or do technical things. Especially today, there is more ways than ever to learn on your own and with others. If you want to learn a technical skill, you can learn it from the Internet. You can learn it from thousands of How To videos on YouTube. You could do it old-school style and go to a public library. Maybe community college. You just need to take initiative. After that, look for someone willing to help you as a mentor (another woman even!). Pick up a skill, and then show the world that you are good with the skill, make something of yourself. Whining about it isn't going to do anything but piss people off.

In the time that you and others have been harassing the people on this project, you could have made progress for yourself. Stop wasting your time yelling at men who make penis jokes and make something of yourself. Maybe even a competing project with vagina jokes? :)

I'm also willing to be that for every man you tell to die in a fire, that is one less man willing to hire you. Why should he? Men would burn bridges the same way if they kept getting fired for calling their boss an asshole to his face from job to job. Keep it up and you'll fullfill your own prophesy and less women will enter the workforce. Whining, yelling, namecalling, shaming, and accusing people of extreme prejudice for perceived slights will not help you.

kbradsha commented 9 years ago

@puromonogatari You should just stop. If the president's own administration pays women less than men, I could care less how the tech industry compensates women. I guarantee you that the majority of women at the fortune 500 company I work for are compensated at least as well if not better than the men. You have no leg to stand on!

thereals0beit commented 9 years ago

@kbradsha you're trying to sell your message so badly I'm beginning to think you're trolling

kbradsha commented 9 years ago

@puromonogatari I'm speaking from experience. I'm not trolling. My boss is a woman, my bosses boss is a woman. I guarantee you that in their management positions, they are making more money than me and doing none of the actual coding work, so stuff it. Until you speak from experience, I'm not interested in what you have to say.

thereals0beit commented 9 years ago

@kbradsha I have never even tried to refute your silly position, whatever it is, I just know that you're going on tangents unrelated to the discussion and generally acting like a fool.

If you want to have this argument about how women in tech have it better than you, there are so many places to do it, that you don't have to derail a discussion about a sexual joke on github.

kbradsha commented 9 years ago

@putomadre It's a joke, if you're too thin skinned to accept it, troll somewhere else! No one here cares! As I said, there are plenty of forums where women are actually discriminated against where your voice will make sense!

thereals0beit commented 9 years ago

Yeah I figured you were trolling, is creating a strawman argument and assuming that identity really an effective means of debate in your mind?

kbradsha commented 9 years ago

@putomadre As I said, if you really want to SJW for your girlfriend, do it on the women's hazardous waste disposal forum. I know they could use your support! It must be tough to be a woman in that line of work.

thereals0beit commented 9 years ago

Because all I see is a child with a very empty life. Thanks for your contribution.

kbradsha commented 9 years ago

@putomadre Think what you want. What I've posted is what the world sees. A 41 year old man who works at a fortune 500 company. My bosses for the last 10 years have been all women! We have a great working relationship. I've never been turned down for a raise. I've always had good performance reviews. You should thank me for my contribution. I make 9/11 calls possible. I write software that runs governments! I also believe that an author should have complete control over their creation, including what the name is, no matter how badly it might perform in the market. You might as well lump yourself in with the bra and book burners.

thereals0beit commented 9 years ago

@kbradsha No, see, advocating for rational, on-topic and grown-up debate on a subject doesn't "lump me in" with either side, the people who think women in tech have it too good, or not good enough, or the people who don't want this joke to see the light of day. It just makes me a person who really doesn't want this thread, which is important that others see who do or do not take offense to it, to write off arguments due to tribalism.

If you're really as professional as you say you are, you wouldn't be jumping all over people here and calling people book burning feminazis, so I am skeptical, but even if you are what you say you are, you aren't helping people to understand anything. You're jumping all over them and rattling off random aggressive "arguments" that have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

You shouldn't label people for having an opinion, you should question that opinion without using their identity as a weapon to bludgeon them with.

kbradsha commented 9 years ago

@putomadre The discussion at hand is that this project should be closed because of it's "harm" to the developer community. The only harm that would happen from this project or any of it's related projects would be if the software stopped working! The software has nothing to do with the name unless you are an SJW who has to find fault in anything that might have to do with men. It's a freaking joke!! Not every software project has to be serious. For people like you who have to side with the censors, you might as well just say it. You don't believe that women can put up with the name of this project because it reminds them of a penis. Who's really being childish?

thereals0beit commented 9 years ago

@kbradsha read my two original replies, you're assuming I'm against this repo's continued existence when I've in fact stated the opposite. My calls for rationality seem to have upset you, and you are seemingly taking that as an attack on this repo when that isn't the case.

kbradsha commented 9 years ago

I've said it multiple times and using many different terms. I don't know how else to say it. If people are really upset with the name of the repo, DON'T USE THE SOFTWARE. How freaking hard is that to understand? No one is forcing anyone to use the software and the idea that this project is "harming" the developer community that is 84% men is ridiculous. The men on this forum that feel the need to SJW post because of this name are also ridiculous.

gaearon commented 9 years ago

You don't get it. Github is a service but also a community. Which means people create repos, but also raise issues and voice their opinions.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism. Yes you can move along silently if you don't like something. But you can also say it. Asking people to shut up and close their eyes to something they don't think belongs in their community is not helpful. Obviously we can disagree about the matter dicussed but why are you trying to silence your opponents?

Instead of arguing your opponents have some agenda or trying to coerce them into your way of thinking, you can just come to terms with people having different opinions. A nice side effect is nobody having to “die in fire”.

kbradsha commented 9 years ago

Your differing opinion does not mean the repo should be closed because it is "harming" the developer community. Considering that the developer community is 84% male, and that the only real harm done by this repo is apparently SJWs' getting their collective panties in a bunch, I say go save some women in a burning high-rise. I hope you make it out alive... not

LegoStormtroopr commented 9 years ago

This repo is "harming the developer community" like drawing genitalia on paper is harming the art community.

Not all code is meant to be serious, sometimes languages and frameworks are written just for fun see also: Piet, LOLCODE, Whitespace, (basically everything on esolangs).

mdekkers commented 9 years ago

we can now add DICCS to this list: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUvdXxhLPa8

mdekkers commented 9 years ago

Also, about the whole "don't joke about this" vibe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwMukKqx-Os

ghost commented 9 years ago

@gearon The problem is, this isn't criticism. This is "THIS OFFENDS ME MAKE IT GO AWAY" on something they don't even have to acknowledge the existence of.

gaearon commented 9 years ago

Your differing opinion does not mean the repo should be closed because it is "harming" the developer community

It's a straw man. I never said the repo should be closed.

I said that it's a combination of poor taste, link bait and controversy, and it's a shame it got people's attention instead of more worthy projects. I stand by this.

Kagami commented 9 years ago

@gaearon 1379116895012

kbradsha commented 9 years ago

@gearon if you don't think the repo should go away then stop replying to this thread which is specifically asking that this project should be closed!

gaearon commented 9 years ago

To clarify. I don't think Github should remove this repo.

You can make a dick joke T-shirt and wear it to a conference. If the conference is fine with it, nobody can stop you. It will be funny to you and some other people, and also rude, unprofessional and alienating to other people, but it's not illegal.

Continuing with this metaphor, forcing you to take that shirt off is wrong and violation of your private space. (And even more gross, eww!)

However giving you bad looks, telling you it's not welcome, suggesting changing it is OK. Ignoring this is also OK, as do a lot of people who decided not to comment in this cesspool.

I came to this thread to express that I find this moronic and this does not represent the community I know and love, just like you came here to express your support. Both are fine as long as we keep it civilized. You can comment here just like I can comment here.

Telling I should go to another issue because my opinion is different from OP is nonsense, by that logic you should also go somewhere else.

All I'm doing here is countering the impression that this is what Github community is like. Because it is not. If you're reading this and thinking Github is a wasteland like Reddit, it's not. Stick to the popular projects with code of conduct where trolls are banned and potentially alienating silliness is not considered worth it because "free speech" and "funny".

I don't personally find dick jokes gross (although this repo's docs are too much even for me). But I can totally imagine being alienated and grossed out by vagina jokes in a women-dominated industry. Hell, in any industry. It's basic empathy. I know some people will look at this repo and this debate and think, "Not sure I want to spend my life working alongside these morons".

You don't care about these people because you think they choose to be offended. It's an argument you can't lose because you already decided to dismiss other people's concerns. You don't care if the industry is inclusive to these people. I get that. Not everybody shares your opinion though.

If you think any kind of joke is OK in a professional environment, maybe you should create a repo with jokes about nationalities. Why not? They are funny.

I definitely think this repo better not exist, just like you shouldn't go to a conference in a dick joke shirt. I'm expressing it here.

In my opinion, no matter how funny the joke is, if it's potentially alienating to some people, it's not a good fit for for professional environment. You exchange some lulz for potential contributions of the people you alienated. That's all.

thereals0beit commented 9 years ago

In my opinion, no matter how funny the joke is, if it's potentially alienating to some people, it's not a good fit for for professional environment.

I think this is more of a misunderstanding then, because this isn't a professional environment. It's some guy's repo on a site that is open to the public. For that reason, I think it's a little silly to suggest that you can counter "the impression that this is what Github community is like". The entire planet is the Github community. Of course, in practice a minority of people ever use this site, but nothing is preventing them.

I don't mind being told "don't tell jokes referring to the male anatomy" when it concerns a meeting, or a customer, or even an entire workplace, but this isn't remotely comparable.

You exchange some lulz for potential contributions of the people you alienated. That's all.

I don't feel as if much is lost here if people are avoiding programming altogether just because some guy in some (likely) far, far away place, that they're unlikely to ever meet jokes about things like this.

Even if this were a conference, as you brought up, I'd think the same thing.

Honestly I can't imagine obfuscating my true feelings on a subject to such a degree because other people might be watching and might be offended. Maybe you honestly do think that this joke is the most horrible thing ever, I don't really know you, but at least a light chuckle on this end isn't something I feel like I should be ashamed of, and I don't think it reflects how I conduct myself at work or reflects the state of the industry or even this community.

Frankly I don't even understand how this can offend anyone. It is offense for the sake of offense, like some sort of circular "we're offended because it makes the industry look bad to not be offended" logic, because the language of the repo in and of itself does not actually attack anyone. The whole thing is strange to me. Unless just hearing a word in any context is somehow harmful to you or others, and again, if that's the case I feel like nothing is lost if they don't stick around, because seriously? So you're right about that part, at least. I really don't care if the industry is inclusive to these people. These types of people are the things HR nightmares are made of and are generally unpleasant to be around.

It isn't even just that, I mean them not being in my work environment is a dream, but you're saying we should all (as a tech community) no longer find dick jokes funny because it might harm the perception of the tech community to those outside of it. No thank you, just like you say people can't pick and choose to be offended, I can't pick and choose what I find funny. I agree with you there, it's something that is a part of you.

Just like that, I think your suggestion is a contradiction. You're suggesting some people act unlike themselves while others: please express your offense, please draw conclusions from all of the community based on a small sample

but you guys over there laughing about anatomy please stop it

joncampbell123 commented 9 years ago

Unfortunately real life in the real world has taught me that there are indeed people who will take offense at something you do, and in sufficient groups, every thing you do has some offensive connotation. According to what I've heard recently, something as innocuous as not liking mexican food, or eating 3 meals a day, or eating a ham sandwich is "racist". Some people find Christmas offensive, especially if it involves Jesus. want them to knock down your open Christmas card program? Open source gay/lesbian dating app? That's offensive too, take it down. See how that would work? It hurts both sides of the argument. My point is that you have to push back. If you don't, people who are offended will simply find more to be offended about and it will never end until you can't do anything at all. If you don't, these people will push and push and push until the internet is as sterile and boring as G-rated family entertainment and everything you do is offensive and life becomes a losing game of walking on eggshells. Think I'm being extreme? You don't realize how many people seem to make it there hobby of being offended. Especially given a political agenda. Especially today. Bowing to their censorship efforts only emboldens them, don't start that downward spiral. I know censorship isn't explicitly mentioned, but in most cases if they complain to the right person or complain loud enough they might push someone into making it go away, so it can lead to it.

So what is worse? A few dick joke repositories on Github some people chuckle at? Or having things taken down one by one over time because someone somewhere is offended?

Leave this project alone. The ultimate decision goes to Github administrators, who will probably see it for the harmless humor it is, and let it alone. And stop treating Github like a professional business environment. It isn't. It's a website, not an office building.

Kagami commented 9 years ago

You can make a dick joke T-shirt and wear it to a conference

Analogy is not quite honest. It's hard to not notice such T-shirt at a conference while people who don't like this repo can just don't come here. It's more like this: vegan came to the barbecue party and felt himself extremely offended because of all that guys who like meat.

All I'm doing here is countering the impression that this is what Github community is like.

You cannot represent the entire community, it's just your opinion.

just like you came here to express your support If you're reading this and thinking Github is a wasteland like Reddit

False assumptions. I'm commenting here not because I like this particular repo or jokes but because I don't like the jokes censorship. If you want my opinion: it's unpleasant to be the part of industry where we can have jokes of one type and can't have jokes of the other. In my opinion that's a hipocrisy.

I know some people will look at this repo and this debate and think, "Not sure I want to spend my life working alongside these morons".

You are making the same logical error like many others here. Why don't you think about the people who will look at the prude persons like you who forbid an innocent jokes and decide not to be a part of community either?

In my opinion, no matter how funny the joke is, if it's potentially alienating to some people

How can you know whether it will alienate "some people"? Are you a God? I don't like your repo react-hot-loader. I'm feeling offended because of the "hot loaders". Will you delete it please?

If you think any kind of joke is OK in a professional environment, maybe you should create a repo with jokes about nationalities. Why not? They are funny.

If it's a joke and not insulting then I don't see anything wrong here.

gaearon commented 9 years ago

I think this is more of a misunderstanding then, because this isn't a professional environment. stop treating Github like a professional business environment. It isn't. It's a website, not an office building.

Yeah our opinions differ here. This is a professional environment for me and a lot of people who spend a lot of their time working on open source projects that people, as well as the companies where they are employed, use every day. Some of them are “for fun”, some of them are pretty much our bread and butter. If that's not professional, I don't know what is.

It's some guy's repo on a site that is open to the public. people who don't like this repo can just don't come here. It's hard to not notice such T-shirt at a conference while people who don't like this repo can just don't come here.

We might have different views of Github, but it's not just a hosting service. I wouldn't worry that much about a similar joke on Bitbucket. But Github is known for its focus on social features. It has “trending” lists, “starred today” newsletter, etc. In my book, it stops being “some guy's repo” and becomes a representation of what's appreciated by Github community as soon as it gets into the newsletter. This is broadcasting what's OK.

Honestly I can't imagine obfuscating my true feelings on a subject to such a degree because other people might be watching and might be offended.

Come on. You do it all the time. Would you tell these jokes to your Mom? I don't know, but I know some people wouldn't. We're in a society, we can control ourselves. It's fine.

It is offense for the sake of offense

No no no no no. It's so easy to think so. It's not “It sounds so horrible, I'm so offended!!!!” type of thing. It's a gauge.

I already said similar jokes about female anatomy would gross me out. I can imagine people being grossed out by dick jokes. Can you? Do you care? Does it matter?

you're saying we should all (as a tech community) no longer find dick jokes funny because it might harm the perception of the tech community to those outside of it.

No that's not what I said. You can find any jokes funny. I just don't think it's wise to share them on Github as repos for the reasons I wrote above.

If you don't, people who are offended will simply find more to be offended about and it will never end until you can't do anything at all. Why don't you think about the people who will look at the prude persons like you who forbid an innocent jokes and decide not to be a part of community either?

Please don't slippery slope me. When I was a teenager this was my favorite way to argue. You can take anything to absurd levels. Maturity means not seeing things in black and white.

So what is worse? A few dick joke repositories on Github some people chuckle at? Or having things taken down one by one over time because someone somewhere is offended?

Nobody is taking down anything. I came here to express that this is stupid. It's up to the repo owner to delete my comments if they wish to.

I don't like your repo react-hot-loader. I'm feeling offended because of the "hot loaders". Will you delete it please?

You can file an issue.

joncampbell123 commented 9 years ago

Slippery slope, eh? I don't think you realize what activist and political groups are trying to accomplish, especially where political correctness has already taken deep root.

gaearon commented 9 years ago

I don't like the jokes censorship

What's the deal with this 4chan-ish Orwell paranoia? Why do you always have to bring it up? Nobody is silencing or censoring you. I'm neither Github nor your government.

Kagami commented 9 years ago

Nobody is taking down anything. I came here to express that this is stupid.

I'm ok with this. But please, don't call other people teenagers just because they don't have the same opinion as you. And don't think that other people have the same vision of GitHub.

joncampbell123 commented 9 years ago

The issue is whether other people pressure the creator of this project into taking it down because it's "offensive". If they succeed, then it may embolden them to take down another one they find offensive. They might also convince the right people to take down other repositories they deem offensive.

thereals0beit commented 9 years ago

Well I feel like the issue is going to become quite convoluted if we're to answer another question: Is Github for professionals only, or should it cater to professionals over people who come here for reasons other than a job.

I'll try, but this thread will probably spin out because of it.

Github might be a place where a lot of professionals spend their time, but so is Twitter, Facebook, Slack, bunch of other places I can think of. Should Github which again, is open to the public, be centered around the professionals who want it to be treated as if it were a work environment?

It's a question I can't really answer, that doesn't seem like it's really even for me to decide. It's really more of a "what direction does Github want to go in as a company" sort of question more than one that I can answer for everyone, but in my opinion, the people using Github in a non-professional context probably far outnumber the ones using it in a professional context.

For that reason I think it's probably most wise to not cater especially to professionals and their opinion on the social environment.

Come on. You do it all the time. Would you tell these jokes to your Mom?

My Mom wouldn't even really understand this joke, but even if I could get her to understand she'd probably get a kick out of it. I grew up poor, we don't have these kinds of corporate-flavor stuffy opinions on matters such as these. In fact if anything she tells jokes I find distasteful.

I already said similar jokes about female anatomy would gross me out. I can imagine people being grossed out by dick jokes. Can you? Do you care? Does it matter?

I can certainly imagine it, I know what empathy is, but then, it is that empathy that drives me to not want to cave to those people. People can be offended about anything, that isn't some exaggerated claim, it's the objective truth of the matter.

The subjective part comes into play when you say "should I respect or share their opinion that this is distasteful, or should I reject it along with the rest of the claims of offense that I find loony?"

I mean you said

Please don't slippery slope me. When I was a teenager this was my favorite way to argue. You can anything and take it to absurd levels. Maturity means not seeing things in black and white.

But the nature of your worldview pretty much is a slippery slope. Just like people being offended, what a person thinks is reasonable to be offended about is ever changing and subjective.

gaearon commented 9 years ago

But the nature of your worldview pretty much is a slippery slope. Just like people being offended, what a person thinks is reasonable to be offended about is ever changing and subjective.

Absolutely. But somehow these kinds of shitstorms don't arise around everything as slippery slope would imply. They arise around several particular kinds of jokes. You can count them on your fingers.

You can solve 80% of such problems by avoiding them. Of course people might find something else offensive. You can't and probably don't want to solve every edge case. But considering that many girls tend to find dick jokes gross, and girls are sorely missing from this industry, perhaps it's a valid compromise. Unless you see everything as black and white, matter of principle and slippery slope, in which case there's no reason to argue at all.

Kagami commented 9 years ago

But considering that many girls tend to find dick jokes gross, and girls are sorely missing from this industry, perhaps it's a valid compromise.

You should have probably said that from the start instead of implying opponents age several times and saying your opinion about projects like this so categorically...

joncampbell123 commented 9 years ago

If girls find projects with dick jokes gross, then they are free not to participate. There are millions of other projects with no jokes of that sort whatsoever they can choose to work on (like the Linux kernel and thousands of GNU projects, for one!). Then, it's the project maintainer's choice whether to keep or remove the jokes. Nobody needs to force or pressure anyone to do anything, everyone has the choice to participate or not.

thereals0beit commented 9 years ago

But considering that many girls tend to find dick jokes gross, and girls are sorely missing from this industry, perhaps it's a valid compromise.

Well that's just a generalization, I mean it may be a pretty... true to life observation, based on what you know, but for the number of women that do kick up dust during these "shitstorms", there are so, so many women in tech that don't. I don't really know what that says, maybe they're apathetic or maybe it doesn't register on their radar of things to be concerned about.

This also sort of incites another side-debate about women in tech and why they aren't joining the industry, last I checked women don't even register for CS in college and that is the first major issue to getting them to join the community. Women tend to avoid STEM overwhelmingly, not just CS, and there isn't many joke dick-based papers being submitted to widely available physics peer-reviewed journals.

So I guess you could say repos like this are the reason why, but that's something I don't have data for.

Then again, feminism isn't new. Women have faced more adverse conditions and were able to infiltrate a lot of professions against that adversity. I don't know what that says.

I think that if women were once able to go toe to toe against actual misogynists, something like this is unlikely to deter them unless something else more fundamental has changed.

joncampbell123 commented 9 years ago

@puromonogatari That's like saying certain groups of men avoid watching TV because they hate Family Guy. As if Family Guy were the only show ever on television.

joncampbell123 commented 9 years ago

@puromonogatari why does it have to be a men vs women programming issue? why not teams of women? and teams of men? and those who want to work together can do so? you're not going to succeed very well in s/w development if you keep thinking that men/women proportions have to be equal.

Kagami commented 9 years ago

So the @gaearon's opinion is that we should sacrifice joke projects (btw, are these jokes allowed?) in order to bring more people to the industry which haven't joined yet probably because of such projects.

But there are three issues with this opinion:

  1. Many people still like joke projects and GitHub is not owned by you. So they will create them periodically even if you don't like it. If GitHub will start banning those projects then probably that people will start disliking the industry.
  2. You still can't know for sure whether these jokes stop people from joining the industry. You can only make broad assumptions here.
  3. Why do you think that projects like this (jokes) are useless? Just because they don't help you in your business? We can't have fun at GitHub at all? Jokes can't have the cultular value or GitHub should be only about the business?

So this entire issue is the matter of choice whether you support the people who like jokes and don't think that they are making any harm, and the people who are willing to sacrife all "useless" projects in order to bring more people to the GitHub and industry.

Karunamon commented 9 years ago

Or what about these jokes? Or what about this one?

Clearly, the idea that "Github is a Serious Place for Serious Business®", and that humor is not allowed, is absurd on its face.

Then we're left with the other argument - does the existence of this repo create an exclusionary environment? I don't see how - a couple of similes used upthread were "like saying that dick drawings on a piece of paper was keeping people out of art" or "how someone that hates Family Guy would avoid watching TV altogether".

Also, clearly absurd.

Perhaps the people who are being kept away from Github, if they even exist (which I am not convinced they are, to be honest), are ones that need to be kept away since they obviously place a lot of value on things which do not directly impact them. I find that these people are rather toxic to a community as they place a high value on drama and a low value on being quality contributors. Github's other benefit, other than their technical infrastructure, is their community, after all!

..so until such point as GH starts forcing you to play with DICSS as a matter of the signup process, my opinion is unchanged. If this repo bothers you, go away and stop looking for reasons to be offended.

minusf commented 9 years ago

+1 for the steve hughes video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqPcjm-X5GQ

It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?

Stephen Fry, The Guardian (2005)

NadyaNayme commented 9 years ago

@doublezeta +100

Perfect example to show how harmful their reasoning can be.

UnJavaScripter commented 9 years ago

Is it wrong if I copy & paste my comment from another issue? https://github.com/letsgetrandy/DICSS/pull/16#issuecomment-85072844 ...

I just checked the whole readme to double check for sexual violence and didn't find anything (just laughed a lot). I shared this DICSS with several female developers and they all had a good time, didn't feel offended or felt any kind of violence.

I don't like java but I'm not creting issues saying "I'm offended because I don't like that language" or creating PRs saying "Okay here is everything using C". Instead I don't check java projects/repos.

What if I create a repo to praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I for sure won't accept PRs saying "Here, I removed the blasphemy"

ghost commented 9 years ago

Fuck off back to tumblr.

xorb0ss commented 9 years ago

I'm gonna get slated for this and I really couldn't care. A lot, of people here, and in general for that matter, are waaaay too sensitive. Ok sure, dick jokes probably aren't funny, but saying this promotes sexual violence or rape is beyond me and personally, I find it to be fucking ridiculous.

My other point would have been this but @Karunamon has already made it.

Enjoy :-)

P.S - I do find dick jokes funny.

willgriffin commented 9 years ago

It might not be funny yet, but check back in about nine months. And instead of complaining, submit a pull request

TFenby commented 9 years ago

Alternatively, submit a pull out request if you're not prepared to be a proud new maintainer.

mrManner commented 9 years ago

Ok sure, dick jokes probably aren't funny

Dick jokes can be funny, just as any other joke. Not because they're dick jokes, the same way not all jokes about cars or potatoes or javascript are un-funny because of those topics. This repo is a kind of pun, and it contains some more puns, and some other kinds of jokes as well. Whether they're qualitative or not is up to each reader to decide, but if one considers it not funny just because it mentions penises, well... That is a bit sensitive.