Consider this:

[allypalanzi]

http://findingscience.com/ruby/2014/11/17/why-im-renaming-a-gem.html

I think the best argument basically boils down to a question of whether or not I, as an open source developer, want to be as welcoming as possible to a group that has long felt marginalized and uncomfortable. This is the one that I believe is worth substantial and thoughtful consideration. If enough people from that group claim that some words that I chose make it harder for them, who am I to question their feelings. I believe there is genuine sincerity in the request, and this means that I need to listen.

Please be considerate to the community and try to understand how this project might offend others.

[greenbowtie]

We get it. Fuck.

Can't you stay in the issues that you're already plastering your opinion all over?

-1

[NadyaNayme]

I'm 100% positive he understands how it might offend others. I'm about 99.999...% positive he doesn't care. There are people who aren't offended and enjoy the humor. Those people have every right to laugh at this joke.

Also I hope you understand the Streisand Effect. If you somehow ever succeed on taking this down - I have a fork of it. :^)

[b4x]

@allypalanzi I'd like to know who you believe you are representing when you use the word community. It's certainly not me, and many others. In fact, perhaps you should be considerate yourself, and try to understand how removing this repo might offend others.

[nkpz]

How is dick humor in a Github repo different from dick humor coming from a standup comedian? This isn't a conference or workplace.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to keep my mind open and understand, because I don't see a problem with this yet.

Every line of code in existence need not automatically be associated with the "developer community" (in which this repo obviously has no place). Professional developers should support a welcoming environment, but every human should also support the freedom to make crappy, immature jokes among those who choose to participate. I think we're all aware that freedom of speech means protecting those who have dumb things to say, no?

[allypalanzi]

OSS should support a welcoming environment. this code is hosted on github, after all.

[nkpz]

F/OSS isn't an organization and is barely a community. It's just a category of license. I do not support imposing any standard of maturity upon everyone who uses a license.

[b4x]

I don't see anyone being unwelcoming. Do you have any examples?

[allypalanzi]

i would say reactions to criticism are pretty unwelcoming. you all should probably read the link i posted.

[ernstwurf]

OSS should support a welcoming environment

A welcoming environment doesn't consist of people creating pull requests that delete and replace code (like https://github.com/Microsoft/msbuild/pull/1) or +1 posts^Wspam.

[nkpz]

I read the link that you posted, and I understand his reasons. This is very different though. This is a comedy repo. Comedy is often intended to be uncomfortable, and this is no exception. Sometimes comedians exceed expectations in making me uncomfortable, and there are plenty of comedians who I think are terrible, offensive, and really wish they would just shut up. I'm still not in support of censoring them - I just don't watch them. To those who do like to watch them, I hope they continue to have the right to do so.

I am asking why this is different.

[b4x]

I see a lot of people being unwelcoming and critical to DICSS. A nice way to have a welcome enviroment, is to be welcoming yourself. Support DICSS!

[ghost]

@Kyokou even funnier than the joke are these peoples' reactions to it.

[ghost]

@allypalanzi have you considered that you might be the unwelcoming and oppressing person here. What if @letsgetrandy just wanted to see if he could make it in the really competitive and harsh field of comedy and your negative comments crushed his dreams.

[NadyaNayme]

@Tsutsukakushi Well when you live a privileged life with few problems, you have to find them somewhere. Right?

[ghost]

@Kyokou That is an interesting proposal. Maybe human requires n amount of problems to keep their life interesting. I need to study this further by following the behaviour of the people around me.

[dmackerman]

Not everything on the internet has to be morally right. Or funny. Or even creative. Even if resembles "open source dickware"

You don't like it. Cool. We get it. Its a silly stupid thing on the internet - let me introduce you to the internet with its stupid dick and vagina jokes. If you look at chrome hard enough it just turns into a giant dick that closely resembles ES6

[scottkellum]

Another good argument: https://divshot.com/blog/opinion/sense-of-humor-and-sensibility/

[NadyaNayme]

Assuming that calling out humor as exclusionary is "thought policing" or "white knighting" or whatever else has to stop.

Says who? Fuck you. No. Calling it something besides "thought policing" doesn't mean it isn't thought policing.

[ghost]

I think it's important to show consideration, and understand that people may be offended by this.

It's equally important to show consideration, and understand that people may be offended by the reaction to this.

[ghost]

@scottkellum I see no argument, just some tears and few smuttered letters.

[scottkellum]

@shemmie The second part is called being defensive and usually just fuels the fire.

[NadyaNayme]

@shemmie I considered it, I understand how some may be offended by it. I don't care.

They aren't more important than the people who enjoy it. The people who laughed. The people who may have had their shitty day at work brightened by an elaborate penis joke because of the childish humor.

[ghost]

@scottkellum how is that any worse than being offensive and starting a fire?

[nkpz]

Where I disagree is the association of this with some sort of community, or the idea that software development as a whole is one big community.

A dick joke can be made in English, or it can be made in Javascript. It's just another form of communication as far as I'm concerned.

Further, we're not one big community. Software development is full of racists, misogynists, people who like dick humor, people who don't like dick humor, people who support social justice, people who think social justice movements are silly.. it's a big world out there.

If you're intimidated by the fact that it's a big world out there, please don't be, and please don't expect it to change. Please do push for a welcoming workplace. Please don't push for censorship of those who you think are ignorant on their own time.

Ever see this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOXCAKL9ESc Here's what I think of it: Bigoted, stupid, unfunny garbage. Do I think it should be removed for being bad for the Youtube community? nope. Do I wish he realized how dumb he is? Sure. Do I have time to bother him about it? not really. It's a big world out there and I know there will be a group of people who think it's HILARIOUS. That's their business. It takes less than a few seconds of my time to stop the video and move on with my life.

[scottkellum]

@Tsutsukakushi

var subject = 'DICSS';

function objection(resolve) {
  if (resolve) {
    return null;
  } else {
    objection();
  }
} objection(false);

[ghost]

Perhaps I didn't phrase that well, @Kyokou - sorry.

"It's equally important to show consideration, and understand that people may be offended by the reaction to this."

I'm offended by the 'reaction' to this project. I'm a DICSS user, and I don't know why the community is deeming use of DICSS as a reason to try and exclude people.

It's totally ok to be offended by the project. It's also ok to be offended at the offense the project has created.

To be honest, at this point, I'm offended at the offense the offense of this project has generated.

Can't we all just get along - those of us who want to work with DICSS and see it as a useful tool? Like all tools, it's just a question of using it appropriately,

Likewise, if you don't like DICSS - that's fine, too.

[scottkellum]

@shemmie I’m glad you’re finding actual value in this project, really, I am. Most people here probably see this as joke so I’m kind of surprised anyone is actually seriously using it. However the repo is filled with sexist language and that is what this issue is about.

[ghost]

@scottkellum It might be sexual but it sure as hell isn't sexist.

[scottkellum]

@Tsutsukakushi lol, ok sure

[scottkellum]

@Nijikokun well aware of this fact.

[ghost]

@scottkellum that's not what your comments suggest.

[NadyaNayme]

I've yet to see anything sexist other than what people are trying to force, or assume, to take place by placing their own subjective scenarios onto what has been said.

Unless being anti-rape is sexist now?

[scottkellum]

Wow, has anyone actually dug into the code, comments and read the readme? I feel strongly about this and I know y’all do as well but please try to take a critical look at this. I’m not sure how much more clear I can make things.

[NadyaNayme]

I didn't even realize it was an elaborate dick joke until one of the SJW's bitched about it.

I find SJW's tend to the most sexist, racist people I meet. Largely because they force sex and race into everything they do and make it a center-focus (which is both sexist and racist).

[ghost]

@scottkellum yes I've read the source and the readme and found nothing but sexual jokes. Anything sexual isn't automagically sexist.

And even IF there were sexist jokes then why would that matter? Why shouldn't person be able to make a sexist joke?

[nijikokun]

I eagerly await your response @scottkellum

[scottkellum]

@Nijikokun Here is my beef with DICSS: https://github.com/letsgetrandy/DICSS/pull/16#issuecomment-84133412

[ghost]

https://github.com/letsgetrandy/DICSS/pull/16#issuecomment-84222654

Accidentally posted this on the wrong thread.

[ghost]

To be honest, with all this bad feeling and projection, I'm tempted to fork it over to bitbucket.

Does anyone know if DICSS are in bucket already?

I know I'll feel a bit safer moving forwards once I know DICSS is in safe hands.

[nkpz]

There will be people who both know how to code and enjoy rape jokes. There are people who enjoy way more offensive jokes than this one. I'm sure there are more offensive jokes on Github than this one.

Please stop perpetuating this idea that those people represent all of us because 'tech culture'. That's bullshit. They are not a part of my culture. I won't associate with them or allow them to intimidate people in my workplace or in professional environments.

With that said, Github is just a place to put code. I support even the most offensive things being permitted here as long as they're not illegal. We have to let people be people on their own time, especially the ones we disagree with.

[ghost]

Alright, I've forked DICSS here - and I'll fork it again later.

I can't believe I'm having to do this because a group of people are complaining about DICSS - people in the open source arena, normally champions of free speech and "knowledge should be available to all" actively stifling and seeking to censor.

Christ, if you don't think this is a serious thing, just check the pulse for DICSS.

It's a small community working on DICSS. But they're working hard to make DICSS available to us all. If you want DICSS, use DICSS. If you don't want DICSS, don't use DICSS.

But please, stop trying to take our DICSS off us.

[mrManner]

As a male non-heterosexual I'm really struggling to see what's offensive here. I might be lacking some perspectives, e.g. trans, women, straight - but when reading and rereading the original joke I can't see any typical fallacies. It doesn't assume that genitals decide gender. It doesn't assume the gender of anyone involved, and the only genitals we know about is one penis. Further, it promotes safe sex, and demands consent from everyone involved. So what am I missing? I'm genuinely trying to understand, not make a point.

ping @allypalanzi

[neurosnap]

@scottkellum

DICSS is a dumb joke that a teenage boy would make to another teenage boy.

This is more sexist than anything posted in this repo.

[CSobol]

Don't worry, @mrManner, I'm a non-heterosexual non-CIS individual and I don't see what the hubub is about either.

Quite frankly, if the allegation here is "anything involving a penis is misogynist", then that is the most misandric thing I've ever heard.

[mrManner]

:) Also, if we're to discuss semantics: The docs say I can put a penis in my body or in my head. I quite like that, as long as the penis owner approves. No sexual violence there, just sex. I like sex. On my spare time, which this is where I am. I wouldn't send this to my colleagues at work, though.

[nkpz]

My suspicion is that this all stems from a shift in office culture. The industry is growing and diversifying, and it is more likely than ever that we'll work with people who are offended by all things inappropriate. There is also the disproportionate number of men in the industry, which creates a need for empathy and the level of awareness to avoid male inside-jokes (though I don't agree that women are incapable of understanding or enjoying this humor). That essentially means keeping things in the office PG/PG-13 and having an inclusive attitude. I'm down with that. There's nothing wrong with having some professional standards.

Point is, this isn't your office or a conference, this is just the internet. The internet is very unprofessional. Github isn't representative of the industry either. It's full of hobbyist coders. Pretty sure it's even got some authors who are tech-savvy but more interested in writing than the tech industry.

I can certainly see some contexts where this repo would be very inappropriate, but all I'm seeing right now is people barking up the wrong tree.

[mbleigh]

Can we stop conflating objection with censorship? I haven't seen anyone argue that this repo should be taken down by GitHub, I've just seen a tongue-in-cheek pull request (#16) and folks raising objections to the tone of the joke. Everyone has a right to say whatever they want. No one has a right to say objectionable things and have everyone just be ok with it.

As to office culture vs. the internet: I'm working on a distributed team. The internet is our office. This is true in more ways than just for remote teams. And yes, there's not just one culture, there are many, but the fact that I saw this means that it's at least tangentially a part of my culture.

[nkpz]

Well, the objection aspect is subjective. I have no problem with anyone saying "This joke is for immature brogrammers". I might even agree. My point stands on the industry needing to cut the crap on feeling represented by every line of code that trends on Github.

As for argument that it should be taken down by Github, they had a meeting to talk about it. See: http://www.businessinsider.com/joke-github-dicss-project-goes-nuts-2015-3

[ghost]

I feel your opinion is problematic, @nnjpp. It's deeply problematic.

[nkpz]

Sorry @shemmie . To be fair and balanced, sometimes I enjoy immature humor myself, and there may have been chuckles upon reading #21

In my own home on my own time, and if anyone objects to that, I object to their objection!