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Progress Tracker: Malakula Data 3 #350

Closed LauraWae closed 6 years ago

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

This progress tracker will serve to record the progress made in the Malakula sound file editing and uploading. Here, you find three lists that are supposed to display our working progress:

1.) Languages that we do not yet have preselected sound files of, 2.) files that need cleaning up, tagging and uploading, 3.) languages that are uploaded and working on the website.

Please move one language from one step to another when you have completed the processing. Thanks.

1. Languages / dialects that need to be preselected and uploaded to 1 - LW MV - To Clean Up.

2. Files still to clean up, tag, extract and upload to website

Please put them into Owncloud folder ownCloud\SndComp\Malakula\3b - GA - To Transcribe - Marked Up All 215 when finished.

3. Languages done: selected, cleaned up, tagged, extracted, uploaded and working on the website

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Soundfiles cleaned up and tagged: wl_160078_PortSandwich_01_Lamap_selected/Oce_Van_Mal_East_Sth_Aulua_LamapLamap_Dl wl_160076_Burmbar_03_Burmbar_selected/Oce_Van_Mal_East_Sth_Burmbar_Burmbar_Dl

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Sound files still to clean up and tag: wl_160078_PortSandwich_01_Lamap_selected wl_160077_Nisvai_02_Blacksands_selected wl_160076_Burmbar_03_Burmbar_selected

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Soundfiles extracted and uploaded:

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

wl_160053_Taute_07_Unmet_selected

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

wl_160026_Batarxopu_04_Gunwar_selected @AvivaShimelman It looks like from this file there was no selection made (it plays mostly two elicitations). Update: Is it possible that you sorted out only the wanted ones where two different words were given; and left two elicitations, where they were the same?

AvivaShimelman commented 8 years ago

Will check. I think I remember that that was one of the ones that was really constant (i.e., there was really no difference between the two tokens and I left it for you to choose based on noise and the like). Will check though.

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LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Oce_Van_Mal_Int_Nth_Batarxopu_Benut_Dl cleaned up, tagged, extracted and uploaded to website. (I think this is the same case as the one mentioned before - the elicitations were really constant!)

Comment on 16-10-21: The original file name of this language recording is Ia_01_Benut_selected. [LW]

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Oce_Van_Mal_Int_Nth_Batarxopu_Gonwar_Dl cleaned up. Update: tagged and uploaded to website.

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

wl_160012_Wala_01_Worprev_selected cleaned up and renamed to Oce_Van_Mal_Nth_ESth_UWRA_WalaWorprev_Dl. Tagged and uploaded.

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Cleaned up wl_160019_Atchin_02_Orap_selected. Renamed to Oce_Van_Mal_Nth_ESth_UWRA_AtchinOrap_Dl. Tagged and uploaded.

AvivaShimelman commented 8 years ago

Hi, Laura,

Im really glad to see that these are getting done and getting up. A small glitch -- Giovanni and I were looking at a couple of the Praat files earlier today. We found a couple where (1) a word didt get labeled, i.e., there was sound that got segmented but there was no label. These were words that were indeed in the right order and which were indeed transcribed on my sheets. The problem for Giovanni is that when that happens, his program doesnt pick them out and he cant transcribe them. The problem for the website, too, it seems, is that the sound doesnt make it onto the site. This happened, for example, I think, in Lamap_Lamap (Lamap (Port Sandwich)) withsnake´. (2) there is a stray label, i.e., a label where there is no sound. This happened, for example, I think, in Netimb with ´louse´(although it seems that the actual sound did get labeled, too, so it did get to the website). The problem for Giovanni, in these cases, is that his program does pick them up but he has nothing to transcribe and the word will go without a transcription by him.

One reason this might be happening is that it looks like in those instances where I leave in two examples of a word (which, as you know, I do when the two realisations are equivalent), you´re segmenting both (i.e., not cutting one) but only one is getting labeled, so maybe it´s confusing. I think that where they really are equivalent (i.e., where, now, you have two), there is no reason to keep both (i.e., no information (data) is lost by cutting one). The reason I leave them both in, as I´ve said, is just so that you can choose which is better in terms of noise. Of course, I guess, in the future, I could do that (i.e., choose, which one is better in terms of noise and cut the other), but, to be honest, I feel like I am doing work that really should fall to you. BUT, In the future, there will be a lot of instances in which I´ll be leaving two in, although, now for a different reason -- not because they are the same, but, indeed, because they are different. PAUL necessarily has a way to deal with instances in which there are two samples because, as I now know, the site does make provision for alternative realisations. So we´re now confronted with a situation that requires a systematic solution. EITHER: Now, my "pre-editing" is going to have to change. Now I won´t be choosing between those words for which we have different realisations, but, indeed, those for which they are the same OR: I can leave both in in all cases, but JAKOB or someone will need to write a script which will tell SC something like "In those cases in which Avivas two phonetic transcriptions for a word are identical, suppress the second instance (i.e., dont treat it as a genuine alternative)" Or maybe something like this already has a systematic solution.

IN ANY CASE, in those instances in which I have alternative realisations, I am going to have to have a way of signalling which is primary. The only mechanism I can think of is for me to cut and paste and actually put them "physically" in order in the recording. i.e., make sure that the primary one occurs first ... unless there is some other solution.

See you tomorrow?

GIOVANNI: Are you on this list? If not, maybe PAUL can invite you.

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LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Hi both, Ok. It's good you have brought up this issue. My remarks on this topic are the following:

Sometimes I leave a word without marking because the incentive got lost during your pre-editing. I do try to renconstruct those words via our word list if possible, but sometimes this does not work, maybe due to a change in the word order within the recording.

We do have a way of signaling that there are two different phonetic realisations of two words. I can mark this in the praat textgrid where I also mark up the words.

So, I think the clearest way to go on working is the following:

I think with this, everything would be clear to me.

See you tomorrow, yes :) Laura

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Hi, Laura,

Im really glad to see that these are getting done and getting up. A small glitch -- Giovanni and I were looking at a couple of the Praat files earlier today. We found a couple where (1) a word didt get labeled, i.e., there was sound that got segmented but there was no label. These were words that were indeed in the right order and which were indeed transcribed on my sheets. The problem for Giovanni is that when that happens, his program doesnt pick them out and he cant transcribe them. The problem for the website, too, it seems, is that the sound doesnt make it onto the site. This happened, for example, I think, in Lamap_Lamap (Lamap (Port Sandwich)) withsnake´. (2) there is a stray label, i.e., a label where there is no sound. This happened, for example, I think, in Netimb with ´louse´(although it seems that the actual sound did get labeled, too, so it did get to the website). The problem for Giovanni, in these cases, is that his program does pick them up but he has nothing to transcribe and the word will go without a transcription by him.

One reason this might be happening is that it looks like in those instances where I leave in two examples of a word (which, as you know, I do when the two realisations are equivalent), you´re segmenting both (i.e., not cutting one) but only one is getting labeled, so maybe it´s confusing. I think that where they really are equivalent (i.e., where, now, you have two), there is no reason to keep both (i.e., no information (data) is lost by cutting one). The reason I leave them both in, as I´ve said, is just so that you can choose which is better in terms of noise. Of course, I guess, in the future, I could do that (i.e., choose, which one is better in terms of noise and cut the other), but, to be honest, I feel like I am doing work that really should fall to you. BUT, In the future, there will be a lot of instances in which I´ll be leaving two in, although, now for a different reason -- not because they are the same, but, indeed, because they are different. PAUL necessarily has a way to deal with instances in which there are two samples because, as I now know, the site does make provision for alternative realisations. So we´re now confronted with a situation that requires a systematic solution. EITHER: Now, my "pre-editing" is going to have to change. Now I won´t be choosing between those words for which we have different realisations, but, indeed, those for which they are the same OR: I can leave both in in all cases, but JAKOB or someone will need to write a script which will tell SC something like "In those cases in which Avivas two phonetic transcriptions for a word are identical, suppress the second instance (i.e., dont treat it as a genuine alternative)" Or maybe something like this already has a systematic solution.

IN ANY CASE, in those instances in which I have alternative realisations, I am going to have to have a way of signalling which is primary. The only mechanism I can think of is for me to cut and paste and actually put them "physically" in order in the recording. i.e., make sure that the primary one occurs first ... unless there is some other solution.

See you tomorrow?

GIOVANNI: Are you on this list? If not, maybe PAUL can invite you.

A.

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LauraWae commented 8 years ago

@AvivaShimelman : wl_160002_Uripiv_02_Durpif_selected

AvivaShimelman commented 8 years ago

melwen.

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  • There are two words for "underneath" ([naʔ] and ['melwen]). Keep both or choose one?

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LauraWae commented 8 years ago

@AvivaShimelman : wl_160078_PortSandwich_01_Lamap_selected

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

wl_160078_PortSandwich_01_Lamap / Oce_Van_Mal_East_Sth_Aulua_LamapLamap_Dl cleaned up and renamed. Tagged, extracted and uploaded. (16/06/08)

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

wl_160002_Uripiv_02_Durpif_selected / Oce_Van_Mal_Nth_ESth_UWRA_UripivDurpif_Dl cleaned up and renamed. Tagged, extracted and uploaded. (16/06/08)

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Cleaned up, tagged, extracted and uploading: Oce_Van_Mal_Nth_Nth_Alavas_AlavasWowo_Dl. Works on website.

AvivaShimelman commented 8 years ago

Glad you're getting started.

Looks like I'm going to have to start moving faster.

Let's stick with our order, please (Alavas is a waste of time -- we have 2 recordings from that language already):

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Cleaned up, tagged, extracted and uploading: Oce_Van_Mal_Nth_Nth_Alavas_AlavasWowo_Dl.

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LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Yes, I will stick to that order. For now I have cleaned up

Oce_Van_Mal_East_Sth_Aulua_LamapLamap_Dl / wl_160080_PortSandwich_03_Lamap_2_selected.wav

AvivaShimelman commented 8 years ago

It seems like things are going much faster than expected. Great. I am starting to upload new files now. There are no "bad" responses to worry about. Where you have two transcriptions, please mark the two tokens as alternatives; where you have one, either token is acceptable and you can just mark one.

Thanks!

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Yes, I will stick to that order. For now I have cleaned up Oce_Van_Mal_East_Sth_Aulua_LamapLamap_Dl / wl_160080_PortSandwich_03_Lamap_2_selected.wav

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LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Hi, I am having problems with extracting wl_160013_Wala_02_SmallIsland_selected.wav. Could you please try uploading it without zipping it? Thanks.

AvivaShimelman commented 8 years ago

K. I'll upload all the ones that are zipped now unzipped.

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LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Thank you!

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Cleaned up and tagged wl_160013_Wala_02_SmallIsland_selected. Is this the correct sound comparisons data for this file? --> Oce_Van_Mal_Nth_ESth_UWRA_AtchinSmallIsland_Dl 48741752809 Atchin: Small Island wl_160027_Atchin_03_Small Island (note: file numbers do not correspond)

AvivaShimelman commented 8 years ago

Nope. Always go with the numbers. 13 is not 27. There are four "small islands" along the northeast coast of Malakula: Vao, Atchin, Wala, Rano, and Uripiv. The last four of these are the languages that make up the group "UWRA" - but they are different.

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LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Ok. There is no data indicated for wl_160013 on the refence sheet. :/ Help?

AvivaShimelman commented 8 years ago

I'm checking it now

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Ok. There is no data indicated for wl_160013 on the refence sheet. :/ Help?

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AvivaShimelman commented 8 years ago

Indeed, there is no "13" (Wala_02) on the 2016 05 15 reference sheet. Can you generate a new one? Also a new copy of the Access sheet? We did make some changes a couple of weeks back and it would be good if we were all, literally, "on the same page." That would help me, too, to be sure I upload the participant photos with their final file names.

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Ok. There is no data indicated for wl_160013 on the refence sheet. :/ Help?

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LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Hi, I am sure you are refering to the changes as marked on the file you sent on 24th of may (attached). Paul has not yet updated that one. I can ask him do to so. All the best, Laura 2016 05 24 CURRENT for pasting into Access Malakula nested tree structure.xlsx

AvivaShimelman commented 8 years ago

Yes, that was the last one I sent, but then, after, Paul and I entered those changes into the system from his computer and there was some changing-around of numbers, and, of course, the new files got assigned their names. It would be nice to have it all in one place -- a new sheet that reflects the state of things. Is that something you have the power to do or something that has to wait for Paul?

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Hi, I am sure you are refering to the changes as marked on the file you sent on 24th of may (attached). Paul has not yet updated that one. I can ask him do to so. All the best, Laura 2016 05 24 CURRENT for pasting into Access Malakula nested tree structure.xlsx https://github.com/lingdb/Sound-Comparisons/files/308509/2016.05.24.CURRENT.for.pasting.into.Access.Malakula.nested.tree.structure.xlsx

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LauraWae commented 8 years ago

@PaulHeggarty We are looking for a recent reference sheet of the Malakula data from the database. The newest one on Owncloud is from 15th of May. On 24th May Aviva added some data (see attachment) and then you two checked it together. (see Aviva's comment above). Thanks. 2016 05 24 CURRENT for pasting into Access Malakula nested tree structure.xlsx

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Cleaned up wl_0045_Novol_07_Bangir_selected / Oce_Van_Mal_West_Ctr_Novol_Bangir_Dl. Tagged. Extracted, uploaded to ownCloud\SndComp\Malakula\3b - GA - To Transcribe - Marked Up All 215. Uploading to server. Is working on website.

AvivaShimelman commented 8 years ago

Hola L,

Wow! It looks like you actually are working faster than I am. If you get ahead of me (i.e., if you finish all the new files I'm sending), the ones to take are:

Malua Bay (Tiptir) (already in "to be cleaned up")

Venen Taute (Unmet) (already in "to be marked up")

Vao (Beetehul) (already in "to be cleaned up")

Lamap (Lamap 2) (already in "to be cleaned up")

I'm going to download the LamapLamap file and re-upload it with a different language name (Port Sandwich -- I think that's its name, anyway, on the site).

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LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Oce_Van_Mal_East_NCtr_Maraxus_Maraxus_Dl: checked transcriptions, extracted again and uploaded to server. Working on website.

170411LW: Renamed this file to Oce_Van_Mal_East_NCtr_Tape_Mae. Extracted and Uploaded it.

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

wl_0022_Letemboi_Natingatlang_selected / Oce_Van_Mal_Int_Sth_Letemboi_Natingatlang_Dl cleaned up. Tagged and extracted. Uploadedd to SndComp\Malakula\3b - GA - To Transcribe - Marked Up All 215. Uploading to server. Uploaded. Working on website.

AvivaShimelman commented 8 years ago

Rockin' it!

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AvivaShimelman commented 8 years ago

Yuppee!

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LauraWae commented 8 years ago

wl_0028_Ninde_05_Labo_selected / Oce_Van_Mal_West_SCtr_Ninde_Labo_Dl

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

wl_0027_Naati _01_Windua_selected / Oce_Van_Mal_West_SCtr_Naati_Windua_Dl

AvivaShimelman commented 8 years ago

Great! One favor: I'm confused by the folder "to mark up in Praat". It looks like there are some files that have already been marked up (and one that probably never will be -- "Neverver_Maraxus"). Could you double-check if those are genuinely doubles and put any that are in that "spare" folder? I'm doing some work on Hans' map and then I'm going to go downtown for an hour. That means I won't be editing new files until about 1 or so. I think you have a stock to keep you busy, though. I can realistically be expected to get to 7 or 8 today.

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_wl_0027_Naati _01_Windua_selected / Oce_Van_Mal_West_SCtr_Naati_WinduaDl

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LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Ok, thanks a lot! (In \ownCloud\SndComp\Malakula\3b - GA - To Transcribe - Marked Up All 215 you find now a folder named \01 Stille to Be Renamed where I put some of those files. I will ask Paul again for the revised Reference Sheet).

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

I cannot find the Nasarian file in ownCloud\SndComp\Malakula\1 - LW MV - To Clean Up\Phase 1 - One Representative Dialect per Language. Going ahead with wl_0037_Fifti_01_Khatbol_selected.

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

wl_0037_Fifti_01_Khatbol_selected / Oce_Van_Mal_East_SCtr_Fifti_Fifti_Dl

AvivaShimelman commented 8 years ago

Yep.

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AvivaShimelman commented 8 years ago

Thank you!

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Ok. Done. There are now three sound files and two text grids remaining in ownCloud\SndComp\Malakula\2 - LW MV - To Mark up in PRAAT:

  • Oce_Van_Mal_Int_Nth_Batarxopu_Gonwar_Dl (the text grid needs to be checked by me again)
  • wl_160013_Wala_02_SmallIsland_selected (needs renaming)
  • wl_160053_Taute_07_Unmet_selected_cleanedup (needs renaming). I will take care of those within this hour.

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LauraWae commented 8 years ago

wl_160040_MaluaBay_02_Tiptir_selected / Oce_Van_Mal_Nth_WNth_MaluaBay_Tiptir_Dl

Note: We are not going to upload sound files to the server any more until we have cleaned up the complete set. This is to avoid incongruencies between sound and transcriptions.

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

Created textgrid of Oce_Van_Mal_East_Sth_Burmbar_Burmbar_Dl that was missing. Uploaded to .ownCloud\SndComp\Malakula\3b - GA - To Transcribe - Marked Up All 215

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

wl_0034_Naman_01_Litzlitz / Oce_Van_Mal_East_Ctr_Naman_Litzlitz_Dl selected

LauraWae commented 8 years ago

wl_0049_Tesmbol_01_Usus / Oce_Van_Mal_East_SCtr_Tesmbol_Usus_Dl