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XCode 12.5 Support critical due to Visual Studio stable update #2185

Closed buzzware closed 2 years ago

buzzware commented 3 years ago

Describe the solution you'd like To be able to select XCode 12.5 for builds

Describe alternatives you've considered My VS for Mac updated without me realising it would require XCode 12.5 which would require updating MacOS to Big Sur. I looked for how to downgrade Xamarin.iOS to continue with XCode 12.4 and haven't found a good solution, or what version I should get. I have now upgraded my dev machine in hope and faith that you will add XCode 12.5 before I really need it. The only alternative is to find another CI/CD provider.

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bwised commented 3 years ago

I'm really surprised that we have to make this request ourselves in the first place. One of the primary purposes of using a service like AppCenter is so that these kind of basic essential things get taken care of. And it's not like they didn't see it coming... Xcode 12.5 was in beta for months. Prior to 12.5, AppCenter seemed to stay on top of it, though they started to get a bit late over the last couple releases, but at least it got done. I was told by a support person that I had to come on this damn issue posting and "thumbs up" this if I wanted to see it get done. This is rediculous. We pay for this service -- this isn't some feature request or bug -- it's essential for the service to even be useful!

buzzware commented 3 years ago

I was told by a support person that I had to come on this damn issue posting and "thumbs up" this if I wanted to see it get done. This is rediculous. We pay for this service -- this isn't some feature request or bug -- it's essential for the service to even be useful!

Yes, this is not optional, and while it turns out my my project builds on both 12.4 and 12.5, that could change because of some package update or some other project. Perhaps part of the reason for the delay is because they have to upgrade to Big Sur, but yes, they had access to the beta.

beeradmoore commented 3 years ago

I don't have anything preventing me from deploying on 12.4, but it is still a pain that it is not updated which is a problem for others. (Assuming Apple still let us submit with the older SDK?)

The roadmap says

Framework and OS updates will continue to be supported in a timely manner.

🤷‍♂️

heartace commented 3 years ago

Although there's no problem for most of my apps being built with Xcode 12.4. One of my apps is being affected, its building will always fail due to bitcode version unsupported. As mentioned AppCenter is not a free service, instead, we pay for it. At least we should be noticed when will this support be planned.

boxtcarpel commented 3 years ago

I too was asked by support to post on this issue in order to request Xcode 12.5 support, after being told that "At this time there are no plans to update support for Xcode 12.5.". This does not make sense for a paid build system people rely on.

Additionally, their documentation at https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/appcenter/build/ios/ state: "Supported versions and requirements Build machine Xcode version details are updated each time a new version of Xcode is added. We keep an eye on the latest versions released by Apple and include them as soon as possible on the VMs used to run the builds."

Xcode 12.5 (https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/?id=04262021f) came out two weeks ago at this point, and betas were around long before that.

This is bordering on unacceptable, and would cross that border if it repeats with future versions...

beeradmoore commented 3 years ago

At this time there are no plans to update support for Xcode 12.5.

Yikes 👀

Yeah, going to start looking elsewhere I think.

wisdeom commented 3 years ago

Hi all, Xcode 12.5 requires mac OS Big Sur 11, and we have an external dependency to complete this support. We're closely working with Azure DevOps team to have mac OS 11 image to get this done, and this is their 1st priority now. https://github.com/actions/virtual-environments/issues/2486

We'll keep you posted on the progress. Sorry for any inconvenience caused.

JetForMe commented 3 years ago

This is a big issue for us, too. All the build services providers seem to have been caught with their pants down around macOS 11, and while I agree Apple's terms are onerous, other providers are trialing solutions. In the meantime we're rolling our own using Xcode server.

anfriis commented 3 years ago

Big issue here as well. There is a bug in the ipatool in Xcode 12.4 that fails in processing the xcframework's we have in our app, so we are not able to build and distribute the app.

The bug is fixed in Xcode 12.5 which is able to complete the processing and create an ipa file on our local machine. Hoping for an update soon

joemather commented 3 years ago

@wisdeom - Could we please get an update on this issue?

The macOS 11 image is available and Xcode 12.5 is supported: https://github.com/actions/virtual-environments/issues/2486#issuecomment-854245059

Xcode 12.5 will be the default starting June 15: https://github.com/actions/virtual-environments/issues/3522

Thanks.

buzzware commented 3 years ago

Heads up Azure & AppCenter people: macOS 12 Monterey is available now. Xcode will become dependent on it too one day - may as well start the process early so this issue doesn't repeat. p.s. We shouldn't have to remind you.

douglasjunior commented 3 years ago

Although there's no problem for most of my apps being built with Xcode 12.4. One of my apps is being affected, its building will always fail due to bitcode version unsupported. As mentioned AppCenter is not a free service, instead, we pay for it. At least we should be noticed when will this support be planned.

Same here, an app that uses the recent Firebase iOS SDK.

buzzware commented 3 years ago

Any company or team trying to instill quality production practices would encourage or require a standard environment for development, CI & CD. If they keep their development laptops up to date with the latest OSX Big Sur (released 7 months ago) or certain packages up to date they are now forced to XCode 12.5 and if they have been using AppCenter they are now forced to have an inconsistent environment by a service they likely pay for, from the provider of their development environment (Xamarin), and one of the largest few tech companies.

This is a very surprising, frustrating and unusual scenario. The responses so far from the company and employees have been very disappointing.

beeradmoore commented 3 years ago

@buzzware, yep. It seems AppCenter and Azure Devops/Pipeline all use the same system as Github Actions in the backend. They are the ones who hadn't updated to the latest macOS version over the past 12 months. Not sure why that is the case, but I am sure they have their reasons.

On the bright side Xcode 12.5 is the default build SDK on macOS-11 in GitHub actions starting today (or sometime over the next few days). But that is still preview. Another thing I spotted was Xcode 12.2 and 12.3 is being removed on the 28th so if you weren't already using 12.4 you now will need to swap to that.

I can't see any word when we can expect macOS-11 to go public to everyone. I can't see any word from AppCenter on if they got into the macOS-11 preview. I can't see any word from AppCenter that their systems are working with macOS-11 preview as expected. I can't see any word form AppCenter when Xamarin.Android can be updated to 11.2.

Looking for an alternative solution (unless I missed something) it seems the only working solution today is to roll with your own Jenkins build server. We moved away from that to AppCenter because it was cheaper to pay for that than it was pay someone to upkeep the build server.

Hopefully we can hear some good news soon.

douglasjunior commented 3 years ago

AppCenter's iOS SDK updated to Xcode 12.5 yesterday.

douglasjunior commented 3 years ago

Response from AppCenter support team.

Our team has been already working on Xcode 12.5 support. It's planned at the beginning of May. Currently, the status is that we need to wait for Azure DevOps pool to add macOS Big Sur (macOS 11) as Xcode 12.5 has dependency to have Big Sur 11. App Center Build is based on Azure DevOps, so it's blocked at this time.

In short, no release date at the moment.

beeradmoore commented 3 years ago

AppCenter's iOS SDK updated to Xcode 12.5 yesterday.

That's awkward 👀

Response from AppCenter support team.

Thank you for updating us. Would have been nice if AppCenter would have told us this themselves.

Watersdr commented 3 years ago

Here we are almost 2 months from "the beginning of May" still waiting...

cquanu commented 3 years ago

Any updates?

neoswallow commented 3 years ago

Since Azure Pipelines has macOS-11 as private preview, is there such program to join for App Center as well for Xcode 12.5 support?

andrew-lundy commented 3 years ago

The App Center SDK is separate from the App Center Build service.

The build service doesn't support Xcode 12.5 because there are no build agents that run macOS 11, which is needed to run Xcode 12.5. Because of this, adding support for Xcode 12.5 within the App Center Build service is blocked. That said, the App Center product team is working closely with the Azure DevOps team in order to get the build agents needed on App Center. You can keep your eye on this process here.

Right now, the App Center SDK supports Xcode 12.5, as seen in release 4.2.0. This means that users can build with the SDK on their local machine, as long as they have a machine that runs macOS 11.

cquanu commented 3 years ago

When can we get Xcode version 12.5 for our build configuration in the App Center?

christophemenager commented 3 years ago

I really don't understand the position of appcenter towards its customers. We have no ETA at all, no official communication. It feels like they don't care about loosing customers, so that's what I am about to do : there are many competitive alternative on this market

beeradmoore commented 3 years ago

It's because AppCenter can't give an ETA, it's out of their hands. They are still waiting on other teams, and other teams teams.

cquanu commented 3 years ago

I come here every day to look for updates. But the team of App Center simply don't care and was able to label one of my new issue as a duplicate. Amazing.

ThanhNg commented 2 years ago

They actually had no plan and ETA for this, I mean at all. Xamarin and AppCenter are dying...

cquanu commented 2 years ago

By the time iOS 15 is released, we still don't have support and I have to build my app on my own XCode instead 🤣. What is AppCenter for?

akamenev commented 2 years ago

Hi all, we understand that this is an important update and we are sorry that we do not have it yet. As was mentioned previously on this thread, App Center Build is dependant on Azure Pipelines and that's why we cannot support it until Big Sur is generally available there. Please follow this issue for the most recent updates from the Azure DevOps team.

devshorts commented 2 years ago

That's a garbage excuse, the whole point of using a hosted CICD is to stay up to date. If you guys are going to be months behind the curve on what are often times forced updates for ios and osx developers then we might as well all switch off appcenter and use something else. I can't believe the disdain you have for your customers!

Also what is going to happen when ios 15 comes out? Are you all just waiting for a forced deprecation to wash your hands clean of this? Because when ios 15 drops everyone will be forced to find alternatives...

cquanu commented 2 years ago

Because when ios 15 drops everyone will be forced to find alternatives...

Exactly the point here. Once iOS 15 is out. There's no need for me to stay on AppCenter if it can't build for iOS 15.

This is completely ridiculous, when iOS 15 is out we're 2 images (macOS) behind.

Big Sur and Monterey.

s-hintz commented 2 years ago

Our builds do fail because a 3rd party SDK only works with Xcode 12.5 but not with Xcode 12.4.

ANOMIDImplementation.h:18:9: fatal error: module 'OMSDK_Appnexus' not found @import OMSDK_Appnexus;

s-hintz commented 2 years ago

Just a reminder: Big Sur was announced on June 22, 2020, and was released to the public on November 12, 2020.

Does Microsoft really need about one year to install an update? Is anybody working on it or do you want us to say good bye?

jamesone commented 2 years ago

Can this be prioritised by the azure team somehow? Can one of the Appcenter collaborators get in contact with the Azure team and get this prioritised?

Appcenter is awesome but if they continue to be behind the 8ball when it comes to ensuring the most up to date xcode is available we may have to look elsewhere as it'll cause many delays that will end up costing $$$$.

I'm now concerned about building out my Appcenter infrastructure and relying on it if it can't be kept up to date

cquanu commented 2 years ago

Any updates @akamenev?

anhar commented 2 years ago

Any updates regarding this? I'm currently having to ask my team to downgrade back to Xcode 12.4 and frankly it doesn't feel right.

cquanu commented 2 years ago

Following the announcement here https://github.com/actions/virtual-environments/issues/2486#issuecomment-899752373

macOS-11 is out of preview and now generally available for all the GitHub customers

And we still don't have support for AppCenter. Is there no SLA?

JustinKent commented 2 years ago

At your earliest convenience, please add Xcode 12.5 support to AppCenter build pipelines. Thank you in advance.

cquanu commented 2 years ago

Any updates?

derekblank commented 2 years ago

This is very concerning for the future of App Center. Even if 12.5 was supported tomorrow, App Center is still behind on supporting the Xcode 13 betas that have been out for months.

Our team is interpreting this as a signal that Microsoft does not intend to support App Center long-term, and are preparing to move to another build service. That will be an expensive headache, especially since it is avoidable, but this issue has cost us thousands of dollars already. It should not matter if there is an issue with GitHub Actions. We are paying to use App Center, and App Center should be keeping its documentation up to date and be transparent with support plans. I could understand this issue if it were an open source tool with a single, overworked maintainer, but it is quite shocking to see this coming from an enterprise-level paid service.

@akamenev @vijayma At the very least, it will help other developers if you are able to remove the misleading statements on the App Center documentation regarding supported versions and requirements:

Build machine Xcode version details are updated each time a new version of Xcode is added. We keep an eye on the latest versions released by Apple and include them as soon as possible on the VMs used to run the builds.

ghost commented 2 years ago

In https://github.com/actions/virtual-environments/issues/2072, @maxim-lobanov said:

Note: Availability of macOS 11 in Azure DevOps doesn't mean that the new image will be available in App Center immediately. App Center team has to perform some work on their side to make sure that new Xcode versions are available in App Center Build.

Any details on when this might be ready? If it's not solved soon I'll have to try setting up builds in Azure DevOps directly

douglasjunior commented 2 years ago

That will be an expensive headache, especially since it is avoidable, but this issue has cost us thousands of dollars already.

Same here @derekblank, we have about 20 * 2 (Android and iOS) apps that we need to move to another build service.

Watersdr commented 2 years ago

Hi all, we understand that this is an important update and we are sorry that we do not have it yet. As was mentioned previously on this thread, App Center Build is dependant on Azure Pipelines and that's why we cannot support it until Big Sur is generally available there. Please follow this issue for the most recent updates from the Azure DevOps team.

According to the latest comment in the issue linked here, they should no longer be blocked as of 5 hours ago when writing this comment 👀

JustinKent commented 2 years ago

Hang in there! Looks like we’ll need a little more patience:

Note: Availability of macOS 11 in Azure DevOps doesn't mean that the new image will be available in App Center immediately. App Center team has to perform some work on their side to make sure that new Xcode versions are available in App Center Build.

cquanu commented 2 years ago

Based on https://github.com/actions/virtual-environments/issues/2072#issuecomment-904371992

Note: Availability of macOS 11 in Azure DevOps doesn't mean that the new image will be available in App Center immediately. App Center team has to perform some work on their side to make sure that new Xcode versions are available in App Center Build.

@akamenev @vijayma any plans to make make new Xcode version available for AppCenter? Or still stuck with licensing issue?

andrew-lundy commented 2 years ago

Here is an update from the Azure team: https://github.com/actions/virtual-environments/issues/2072#issuecomment-904371992.

Availability of macOS 11 in Azure DevOps doesn't mean that the new image will be available in App Center immediately. App Center team has to perform some work on their side to make sure that new Xcode versions are available in App Center Build.

cquanu commented 2 years ago

Here is an update from the Azure team: actions/virtual-environments#2072 (comment).

Availability of macOS 11 in Azure DevOps doesn't mean that the new image will be available in App Center immediately. App Center team has to perform some work on their side to make sure that new Xcode versions are available in App Center Build.

This update says nothing about what the AppCenter team will do.

christophemenager commented 2 years ago

Xcode 12.5 seems to be available now for React Native apps image I did not test a build yet

cquanu commented 2 years ago

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What I see on my end.

douglasjunior commented 2 years ago

Xcode 12.5 seems to be available now I did not tested a build yet

Same here for a React Native app.

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cquanu commented 2 years ago

@akamenev any updates for Xcode 12.5 for Xamarin Forms?