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news.scripting.com #239

Open scripting opened 2 years ago

scripting commented 2 years ago

I have had a news product attached to my blog for a long time.

Today it switched over to new FeedLand technology.

http://news.scripting.com/

If you have questions, here's the place to post them.

Still diggin!

tomcritchlow commented 2 years ago

Would love to get access to play around with it!

scripting commented 2 years ago

@tomcritchlow -- I sent a DM on Twitter.

Clay-Ferguson commented 2 years ago

We definitely need to revive RSS in a bigger way. It's still struggling to come back after Google and most BigTech platforms abandoned it because it helps make the middle man (BigTech) unnecessary, and putting users in touch directly with the content itself also eliminates the AD stream, to some extent. I'll be looking into "FreeLand" if I can find it.

Crul commented 2 years ago

I think I'm looking at this from the wrong angle, because I don't understand what is FeedLand for.

There doesn't seem to be a public RSS Feed I can subscribe to, and, although the individual feed links are available, I cannot find the list of all the feeds. So I don't see an easy way to include content from FeedLand into my RSS reader.

What am I missing? Thanks

scripting commented 2 years ago

I tried to say what you’re looking at in the news.scripting.com site in the post, but I guess, in terms of todays feed readers it doesn’t make sense, because in those systems each user only preparing news for themselves.

In this case, I am choosing the sources I want to present to readers of my blog, as the feeds I myself read, not for inclusion in their feed readers, rather just to read.

This is where I’m starting in showing FeedLand, because I want people to think about this role. It’s different. It may not be something you want to do, that’s okay. FeedLand can also be used as a feed reader, and you can, as you envision, share your choices with other feed readers, and I will show you how that works, but not yet. 😀

hope this helps.

Crul commented 2 years ago

Yes, I think my confusion is a mix of the project being in its earliest stage and not fitting my (personal and specific) use of RSS. To me, the main point of RSS is to avoid having to visit multiple (hundreds of) sites to get the latest posts / news. (Unless I'm missing something, in that case, please correct me:) If FeedLand were successful and a lot of people published their "curated aggregated news feed", I wuold still have to visit all those sites.

Thanks for the answer.

scripting commented 2 years ago

If each of these FeedLand sites also published the OPML subscription list behind it, would that do it for you?

Crul commented 2 years ago

Indeed, that would be awesome. I love RSS and it would be great to see its ecosystem grow. Sharing OPMLs is one of the things I miss the most. Thanks for your work!

scripting commented 2 years ago

Stay tuned…

scripting commented 2 years ago

@crul -- fyi

If you look at news.scripting.com you'll now see a white-on-orange XML icon. See the screen shot below.

It will only be there for tabs that are derived from categories, at least for now. I have the OPML link ready to go for those.

I did this in response to a question about yesterday's write-up on Scripting News. It was good feedback. We want to appeal to people who are already immersed in RSS culture. They need to see that we are too. This is a good way to demonstrate that imho.

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rsdoiel commented 2 years ago

I like the idea of OPML in the upper right being prominent. It indicates where the aggregation came from to me. An idea that occurred to me is if I liked the aggregation, besides adding to my own feed list, I could also treat is as a source for ingestion into a personal search engine so I remember where I read things. Nice.

scripting commented 2 years ago

personal search engine

good idea!

Crul commented 2 years ago

@scripting That was FAST! Thank you very much.

dmatchett commented 2 years ago

Exciting stuff -- don't fully understand the code but I love sending feeds hither and yon in an endless search for my own best river. For me currently NetNewsWire is a big catchment basin and catalog. Not to mention Drummer...

scripting commented 2 years ago

@dmatchett -- I hope all this stuff works well with NetNewsWire. A shout-out to Brent and the other developers of that product.

I see FeedLand as an OPML subscription list generator, and I imagine NNW is a first class consumer of them (and of course a generator).

fmcpherson commented 2 years ago

I am wondering what is difference between Feedland and River5?

scripting commented 2 years ago

@fmcpherson -- thanks for asking this question. It's a good one, I should know how to answer it. So let's give it a try.

  1. It's much more than River5.

  2. It's a browser-based UI for managing and sharing subscriptions. So the users are kind of members of a club. We can all see each others subscription lists. We know what are the most popular feeds. When someone subscribes to a feed it appears in the subscription log.

  3. It's very easy to subscribe to a feed that's already in the database. Radically easy. Hard to imagine how it could be easier. That's very important.

  4. I can create a "news product" entirely in the web browser, no need to use an external tool to manage your feeds and categories. Again, as easy as it can be. I iterated over the design of this stuff obsessively.

  5. It stores all the data in a relational database.

  6. So far none of this stuff is in River5. Underneath all this, yes FeedLand does almost all of what River5 does.

  7. One thing River5 has over FeedLand is that it's shipping, you can use it now. FeedLand is still in development. :smile:

Basically where River5 is a simple feed reading system, this is groupware, collaborative, like Slack it's meant for workgroups. The end result is not entirely dissimilar, but the chance to work with other people is new.

scripting commented 2 years ago

This became a blog post, of course. :boom:

http://scripting.com/2022/10/07/161137.html?title=comparingFeedlandToRiver5

drewkime commented 2 years ago

Ok to put some bug reports here?

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All the icons I see for what look like podcasts show "No enclosure attached to this item". Also, this instance doesn't show the link to the LA Times.

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This one shows "No date".

scripting commented 2 years ago

I don't think those are bugs.

Here's what that feed looks like to FeedLand.

http://feeder.scripting.com/returnjson?feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgizmodo.com%2Findex.xml

As you can see there is no feed-level pubDate. That's what [no date] means.

And that item has no enclosure, that's why it says it has no enclosure.

You're going to have to try harder, if you want to find actual bugs. I'm sure they are there, but these aren't them. ;-)

scripting commented 2 years ago

Here's a news product with some podcasts.

http://dave.podcatch.com/

It's possible that the disabled podcast icon is too subtly different from the enabled one.

drewkime commented 2 years ago

Ah, so that's from a podcast channel, but without a podcast on this post? What is the difference between enabled and disabled? Sorry if these are super basic questions, I'm a reader not a creator.

scripting commented 2 years ago

These are good questions, and are certain to come up again and again.

If an enclosure icon is enabled that means when you click on it you hear something, because the item has a podcast attached.

It's disabled if there was no podcast attached.

There's no such thing as a "podcast feed" -- just feeds. Some items might not have enclosures. There are no rules about this.

And a human being, probably me, classified the feed as a podcast -- and sometimes we make mistakes. I don't know about this case. I don't think you said what the feed was. I can't see the URL in a screen shot. So if it really were a bug report it would have to include enough info so I could see what you're seeing.