tp role: Cleric

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captainluffy: Once per game during the night, the cleric may protect one player.

Thought it might be good to have another non conformable tp role

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mctsts: I doubt you will get many chances to use it

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captainluffy: Oh well, it accomplishes the goal of being an easy to fake, weak tp role

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mctsts: It could possibly be changed to 2, but it seems a bit pointless

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mctsts: And it requires introduction of more sentences (dont target same player twice in a row, etc)

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mctsts: I dont know how often cleric would be able to use their power twice

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venomousbirds: 1 use seems fine

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venomousbirds: easier to claim it too

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mctsts: how do you feel about it protecting from death

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venomousbirds: ehhh

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venomousbirds: defeats the death mechanic imo

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mctsts: there's already other protections against it?

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venomousbirds: besides hags?

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mctsts: undead and idiot

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venomousbirds: undead is not a protection and can be removed

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venomousbirds: hags makes sense bc its ua

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venomousbirds: but having 2 town roles with the ability to escape death seems a bit much

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mctsts: i mean 2 is not a lot

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mctsts: and this one is a rare situational power

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captainluffy: They wouldn't be used in the same game

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mctsts: this way it at least does something guardian does not

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e_thsn:

undead and idiot

AH

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mctsts: otherwise guardian resigning would never be a possible strat

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venomousbirds:

They wouldn't be used in the same game

thats not something we should balance roles for AT ALL

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mctsts:

AH

do you mean amulet holder (crafter) or is there another AH

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mctsts: cause AH is not a death protection

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e_thsn: Apoc Horseman

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mctsts: ah

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e_thsn: yeah ah 🙂

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venomousbirds: apoc makes sense to escape death tho

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venomousbirds: cuz it can kinda cause it etc etc

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venomousbirds: but i dont think a role that "replaces" guardian should, as guardian doesnt protect from it

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mctsts:

but i dont think a role that "replaces" guardian should, as guardian doesnt protect from it

?

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mctsts: It doesn't replace guardin

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e_thsn: things that cause death without an attack

Plague, HoD, Apothecary

Things that protect from it

Idiot (Self), Apoc Horseman (Self), Demonization (once per player)

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mctsts: In fact it is a reason it should protect from death, to differtiare it

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venomousbirds: "replaces"

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venomousbirds: as in

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venomousbirds: it cant be there if theres guarian

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e_thsn: Death without an attack is rare enough that I don't think we need more roles to protect from it

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venomousbirds: ^

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mctsts: Also if we're not counting recruit defenses, it'd be the only active killer

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mctsts:

it cant be there if theres guarian

Exactly

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venomousbirds: so i think it should match guardian more

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mctsts: If it does the same as guardian it clashes

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venomousbirds: why?

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venomousbirds: it cant do anythinf with any elected roles

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venomousbirds: so it would need all elected roles to not exists

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venomousbirds: so it is practically guardian

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mctsts: There is no strategy or interaction with guardian if it does the same

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mctsts: That's boring and pointless