Dog / Cat

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Ts: For a lone Dog, Journalist is a valid option, however for the Dog/Cat combo, Journalist is an awful option.

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shapechange: yes

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mctsts: also Cat actually makes sense now. The Cat just hates the dog and is on the opposing side

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e_thsn: Will the wolf aligned version join pack or not cause not being able to find a team member as packless sucks

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e_thsn: <@242983689921888256> <@458727748504911884> ^

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shapechange: i mean we just said it would be recluse

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shapechange: recluse has a packfinding mechanic

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e_thsn: This

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e_thsn: I assumed it meant no role changes just alignment

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shapechange: "just alignment" would be turning into wolf/cit, right?

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mctsts: "we remove the role change and it just aligns"

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e_thsn: Ah that's where I saw it, further up lol

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shapechange: hmmm

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shapechange: i think that's kind of a raw deal for a cat who's forced to align with wolves?

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shapechange: unless they specifically join the pack as dog/cat

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mctsts: they could do that, but it would make the wolf option very good

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shapechange: but otherwise it makes the wolf option very bad

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e_thsn: Joins pack but has 0 private vote power still?

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shapechange: not only does it not have any way to find wolves, wolves have no way to find it

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shapechange: it can't help them in any way except by voting

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shapechange: and won't even necessarily know that they're voting with the right side

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shapechange: it basically becomes old packless wolf, but without being a lycan

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mctsts: maybe they could learn the name of one of the people in their team

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mctsts: similiar to how it could choose TC

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shapechange: why not i guess

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mctsts:

"just alignment" would be turning into wolf/cit, right?

just fyi this was the original version which was bad

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e_thsn:

Joins pack but has 0 private vote power still?

Or this, it's the same thing but doesn't rely on the other player being active

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mctsts: its not remotely the same thing

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shapechange: and also what does it having zero vote power even really do except completely fuck wolves over if its the last pack member left

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e_thsn: I mean won't cat just get added to a Wolfpack 2.0 when dog doesn't contact any wolves or vice versa?

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mctsts:

and also what does it having zero vote power even really do except completely fuck wolves over if its the last pack member left

completely fuck over wolves if 2 pack members are left but one is www

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mctsts:

I mean won't cat just get added to a Wolfpack 2.0 when dog doesn't contact any wolves or vice versa?

only if a) the wolves believe it and b) the role list is known an c) nobody fakes the role

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e_thsn: Oh you think ft might fake a cat/dog for information?

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mctsts: "ft"

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e_thsn: Who else is gonna have the info to fake cat/dog N1

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mctsts: "the info"

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mctsts: a) literally every TI b) literally everyone

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e_thsn: Is it not getting exact role like TC?

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mctsts: "maybe they could learn the name of one of the people in their team"

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e_thsn: Oh

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e_thsn: Yeah nvm I saw the TC thing and knew TC also got role

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mister.turtle:

thinking of it. i think we should probably swap out cc for something

No 😭

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mister.turtle: It's the only reason I like Dog.

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e_thsn: <@&1045732542399131769> Make Cat and Dog just align with Wolf/Town rather than change roles

Explanation Currently Dog can choose from three roles

• Journalist
• Wolf
• Cursed Civillian

Cat will respond with an opposing role

• Wolf (Dog Picks Journalist)
• Journalist (Dog Picks Wolf)
• Psychopath (Dog Picks Cursed Civillian)

This change proposes to remove the third option (CCiv/Psycho) and change the Wolf/Journalist into Wolf aligned/Town Aligned

Town Aligned Dogs/Cats will act as citizen Wolf Aligned Dogs/Cats will learn the name of one of their team members (chosen arbitrarily)

Pros:

• No more role changes
• No more weird third option (CCiv/Psycho)
• No balancing needed both options are as equally good

Cons:

• Might be Boring (Options are Cit or basically old Packless wolf but no join ability)

• Removes a choice of roles that some people liked

• Yes ✅ - Yes but give dog name learning too

• No

• Abstain

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shapechange: we already removed the cit clause in dog, no?

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e_thsn: oh we did

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e_thsn: idk when that happened

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shapechange: like i remember doing that myself ages ago

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e_thsn: Removed that pro then

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mctsts: I think we can have the name learning on both alignments probably?

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e_thsn:

I think we can have the name learning on both alignments probably?

sure