Dog / Cat

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Ts: For a lone Dog, Journalist is a valid option, however for the Dog/Cat combo, Journalist is an awful option.

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shapechange: I'm going to vote abstain, leaning toward yes. I'm still not convinced this change is needed (except the part where cciv shouldn't be an option for dog anymore), but I'm not heavily opposed to it.

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captain_luffy: The third option makes sense for when they're afk

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captain_luffy: Forced into it

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e_thsn:

The third option makes sense for when they're afk

3rd option is cciv

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mctsts: I hate the 3rd option for balancing

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mctsts: if I add Dog/Cat I want a guaranteed extra wolf

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mctsts: so I can consider it for balancing

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e_thsn: I'm fine with either or ✅

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captain_luffy: So what's the default option if afk

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captain_luffy: Was that decided

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shapechange: I'd assume town for dog

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captain_luffy: I assume so too but it didn't look like it was considered

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shapechange: an afk town hurts team less than an afk wolf hurts wolves

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e_thsn: This change replaces journalist with town aligned and Wolf with Wolf aligned

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shapechange: well, depends on the town role, but in this case

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e_thsn:

This change replaces journalist with town aligned and Wolf with Wolf aligned

and removes cciv

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shapechange: yes ethan we got that part

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shapechange: luffy was asking what happens if dog doesn't choose

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captain_luffy: What's name learning

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mctsts: also we need to remember to ping the other role too on occassion

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shapechange:

What's name learning

like tc

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captain_luffy: I mean who's name do they learn

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mctsts:

like tc

no

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mctsts: tc learns a role

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shapechange: i didn't mean exactly like tc

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e_thsn:

<@&1045732542399131769> Make Cat and Dog just align with Wolf/Town rather than change roles

Explanation Currently Dog can choose from three roles

• Journalist
• Wolf
• Cursed Civillian

Cat will respond with an opposing role

• Wolf (Dog Picks Journalist)
• Journalist (Dog Picks Wolf)
• Psychopath (Dog Picks Cursed Civillian)

This change proposes to remove the third option (CCiv/Psycho) and change the Wolf/Journalist into Wolf aligned/Town Aligned

Town Aligned Dogs/Cats will act as citizen Wolf Aligned Dogs/Cats will learn the name of one of their team members (chosen arbitrarily)

Pros:

• No more role changes
• No more weird third option (CCiv/Psycho)
• No balancing needed both options are as equally good

Cons:

• Might be Boring (Options are Cit or basically old Packless wolf but no join ability)

• Removes a choice of roles that some people liked

• Yes ✅ - Yes but give dog name learning too

• No

• Abstain

oh right <@&1128435183113220106> opinions on this change

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shapechange: i was giving a ballpark example to demonstrate that the name learning is arbitrary

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mctsts: ah

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e_thsn:

I mean who's name do they learn

e.g Cat gets wolf aligned they will learn Captain Luffy is on your team

You could then be any wolf role

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e_thsn: town aligned learning a town player would make it similar to it's old form of TC ig

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captain_luffy: Why wasn't that in the original ping

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e_thsn:

Why wasn't that in the original ping

wdym?

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e_thsn:

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e_thsn: Ts suggested town also learning afterwords which is ✅

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venomousbirds: if you simplify it this much, the roles dont sound fun anymore

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venomousbirds: you get a role which sole purpose is to just join an alignment asap

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venomousbirds: at that point, add another role to both town and wolves, as that gives more options for the role list

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venomousbirds: i do agree cciv and psycho are a bit of a weird option so i would suggest changing that

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venomousbirds: adding ua similar to psycho instead of cciv might be a better solution

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venomousbirds: i was thinking chef; their protection would oppose cat's need to have players dead

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nottinghamshire: Idk mannn I love psychopath

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nottinghamshire: Can we make it so that if dog chooses a ua cat turns into a ua

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mctsts:

adding ua similar to psycho instead of cciv might be a better solution

as long as dog/cat have an ua option they are much harder to use

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mctsts:

you get a role which sole purpose is to just join an alignment asap

but this is what it should be

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mctsts: what makes them really interesting is that you can't tell which one is good and which one is evil

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mctsts: whenever I put Dog and the person ends up picking CCiv I regret putting a Dog in the first place. If the third option is removed the roles are much more easy to balance

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mctsts: and thus more usable

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venomousbirds:

Can we make it so that if dog chooses a ua cat turns into a ua

yeah thats what im suggesting

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venomousbirds:

but this is what it should be

i think this is way too simplified

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venomousbirds: if one turns into wolf and one turns into whats basically tc, why not add a wolf and a tc to the list?