Flock Team v2

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Ts: <:Shepherd:990696034210558002> Discuss the updated Flock team

Please put your opinions on the updated flock team here.

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huckhuck55: (Sorry if that was a messy description)

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huckhuck55: I mean, yeah, vote cancel, sure. But like… they would have to keep their team alive in order to have majority when there is 1-2 people left unherded. At which point town and wolves would know who they are.

Also, vote cancelling while HD in there would kind of suck for them. But if vote theft then HD could blend in by saying they got their vote stolen.

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!Phantomtomic: Town herded?

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!Phantomtomic: Wincon got changed?

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!Phantomtomic: Ah wait nvm

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Ethan.: Idk I still think reducing others votes is safer than stealing

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Ethan.: Stealing does overcomplicate and especially if they can be easily unherded

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Ethan.: Every phase could be hosts changing the shepherd's vote

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Ethan.: And revealing the shepherd

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huckhuck55: Unless they changed votes every time. Best way to stay under cover is by being consistent with it.

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huckhuck55: But idk, I’ve said my peace.
Whatever you land on will be good I’m sure 🙂

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Ethan.: stopping the thread dying message

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Ethan.: also imo even though it's consistent the attack stopping is too strong since it stops things like devil's wager but also doesn't impact wolves at all since they just have a non heded wolf vote

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Ethan.: herded*

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Ethan.: <@242983689921888256> what would the message be if this version of shepherd herds reaper and that reaper is visited by a sleepless Fortune Teller

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Ethan.: I think it should be directly targeted attacks to one player

This means indirect attacks like reaper passive, multi kills like pyromancer, forced kills like wager all are not blocked and don't cause an issue

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Ethan.: Makes it solo friendly

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Ts: what

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Ethan.:

what

Since the suggested version stops herded players attacking

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Ethan.: And reaper reflect is an attack

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Ethan.: So a herded reaper would be prevented from attacking a sleepless Power role

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Ethan.: And for investigative roles this would be hey here's reaper

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Ts: well guess reaper cant attack then

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Ts: sucks to be reaper

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Ts: i dont see any reason for an exception

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Ethan.: Also selling soul to attack if devil is herded

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Ethan.: And last pyro just can't ignite

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Ethan.: Basically Shepherd becomes the anti SK solo, except plague cause plague is built different

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Captain Luffy: Only compatible with www and plague

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Captain Luffy: For sk

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Ethan.: We need to do a vote for this

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!Phantomtomic: What options do we have so far

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Ethan.:

What options do we have so far

Herded players are also immune to lynch once while herded Herded players lose their vote Herded Players can't attack

Maybe some way for shepherd to remove herded in exchange for something (?)

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Ethan.: Those are two separate things

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Ethan.: <@&1045732542399131769> add to shepherd 1️⃣ Herded players are also immune to lynch once while herded + Herded players lose their vote + Herded Players can't attack 2️⃣ Shepherd can Unherd players and gains a power (vote most likely) 3️⃣ Both ⛔ Neither 🤷 Abstain

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Ethan.: Ts can you do thing pls thank you :)

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Ts: Had to re-read what Flock does, but 1️⃣(a) seems good, 1️⃣(b) idk, 1️⃣(c) you mean like at all?

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Ts: Role blocking just attacks seems a bit weird

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Ethan.: You suggested it so it was consistant

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Ts: well sorry to say but past ts is stupid then 🤷

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Ethan.: Attack immune > Can't attack v v Lynch Immune > No Vote

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Ts: I see the logic behind that

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Ts: But that's bad

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Ethan.: Yeah

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Ethan.: Should we just remove it

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Ts: If we want consistency you could add some weird clause that their votes dont count against the flock team

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Ts: but idk if thats helpful

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Ethan.: I mean ig that would be added anyway if we added lynch immunity then shepherd would be unable to be voted by herded players

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Ethan.: we could just add lynch and attack immune

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Ts: im not sure what you mean